Starise Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,662 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2023 10 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Unlike angels who don't have biological bodies. I believe angels can have biological bodies. Otherwise there would have been no nephilim. I asked a question you haven't answered yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.61 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Starise said: I believe angels can have biological bodies. Otherwise there would have been no nephilim. That's a good point, an important one for several reasons I can think of and worthy in itself for some degree of discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,083 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Online Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Starise said: I believe angels can have biological bodies. They can be given them for specific things. 1 hour ago, Starise said: Otherwise there would have been no nephilim. However, given that angels do not have bodies, which are needed for the procreation of human children—barring a miracle—and given that in heaven human beings live like angels and thus do not get married (Matt. 22:30), the identity of the “sons of God” points to mere humans. The early Church Fathers generally understood the “sons of God” to be the offspring of Seth, the righteous son of Adam, whereas “daughters of men” are understood be the offspring of Cain, the immoral son of Adam. Thus, “fallen ones” could be understood as the fruit of succumbing to the corrupt Cainite culture. https://www.catholic.com/qa/explaining-the-nephilim-of-genesis There is really no agreement on who these men were. But they were men, not angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,083 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Online Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Starise said: I asked a question you haven't answered yet. That is? I thought I had answered them all. What do you think I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,083 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Online Share Posted November 15, 2023 17 hours ago, FreeGrace said: Jesus's resurrection body is spiritual because Paul said our resurrection bodies are spiritual. Yet, Jesus looked just like He did before the crucifixion and He ate food after His resurrection. He even still had the nail and spear marks. It IS a physical body, but doesn't have biological functions like our mortal bodies. Not a biological body. A metaphysical body, actually. Physical bodies can't move through matter, as Jesus did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,467 Content Per Day: 8.06 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, The Barbarian said: Not a biological body. A metaphysical body, actually. Physical bodies can't move through matter, as Jesus did. OK, define and describe the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,662 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: That is? I thought I had answered them all. What do you think I missed? Maybe it's something I'm missing. I can't see the relevance of a discussion on angels having anythng to do with our discussion. Maybe the spiritual nature of man was covered as well. Trying to see the relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,126 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,662 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: They can be given them for specific things. However, given that angels do not have bodies, which are needed for the procreation of human children—barring a miracle—and given that in heaven human beings live like angels and thus do not get married (Matt. 22:30), the identity of the “sons of God” points to mere humans. The early Church Fathers generally understood the “sons of God” to be the offspring of Seth, the righteous son of Adam, whereas “daughters of men” are understood be the offspring of Cain, the immoral son of Adam. Thus, “fallen ones” could be understood as the fruit of succumbing to the corrupt Cainite culture. https://www.catholic.com/qa/explaining-the-nephilim-of-genesis There is really no agreement on who these men were. But they were men, not angels. No so, or we would not have had giants, and we definitely had giants. If we follow the text involved and follow it into Anak, we see there was some tampering by the angels. A reading of Enoch will maybe help to uncover some of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,083 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Online Share Posted November 15, 2023 Hmm... scholars have shown that Jericho, for example, is over 12,000 years old. And humans have been around long before that, from scholars who have dated that evidence. 18 hours ago, FreeGrace said: That's not close to the numbers of years you noted for the 4 "races". Yes, and there is abundant evidence for those. I'm just pointing out that Jericho rules out a 6,000 year-old Earth. 18 hours ago, FreeGrace said: How would these different 'races' interbreed with "modern humans" since they existed so much farther back in history. When did "modern humans" begin to show up? They didn't exist farther back. They all have a common ancestor. They evolved into different races of H. sapiens. Our particular race evolved in Africa, but later moved out into Europe and Asia and Australia, and interbred with the others. This is why we carry some of their genes. 2 hours ago, FreeGrace said: There will be feasting and drinking on the new earth. Where do you suppose all that food will go? I don't see where it says angels feast and drink. But I'm bemused by the notion that there are restrooms in Heaven. Since there will be no marriage in Heaven, I suppose their would only have to be one for each hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted November 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,083 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Online Share Posted November 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Starise said: No so, or we would not have had giants, and we definitely had giants. It says they were men. Giants are men, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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