Unclean Spirits, Divine Healing and Modern Medicine

[Mr. M]

Matthew 12:22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute;

and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw.

Modern medicine has had many breakthroughs that the world considers miraculous, including

blind and deaf ailments. but in the New Testament, there was always devils, demons, and unclean spirits involved.

What modern medicine cannot deal with is the spiritual component of healing, miraculous

or otherwise, because we know this from scripture.

Matthew 12:

43 “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 

44 Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty,

swept, and put in order. 

45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself,

and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

So shall it also be with this wicked generation.”

Luke 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years,

and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

A modern secular humanist might conclude this is a something arthritic, or a congenital 

disease and see hope for a cure. Unless the spirit of infirmity is dealt with, the healing

will leave the person vulnerable to other forms of attack.

There are more examples from scripture. I may come back and add more, or maybe you would....

[RV_Wizard]

Nothing has changed.  Modern medicine has done wonders at curing diseases.  Demonic possession is rare, but it still happens.  To a lesser degree, our demons are more rampant than ever.  The influence of demons can be seen everywhere; in alcoholism; in rampant drug abuse; and in the secularist claims that the Bible is untrue.  Demons convince many that evolution is a proven fact and that one more drink won't hurt anything.  Demons tell us that experimenting with drugs is okay because the drugs are a naturally grown product.  Demons tell us that adultery is acceptable behavior.  Demons influence the media, who in turn influence us.  Demonic influence is everywhere.  Revealing their existence would serve to remind us that evil and good are real things, so they remain in the shadows.

[FJK]

38 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Demonic possession is rare, but it still happens. 

Demonic possession, actual demonic possession, is rare but demonic influence is common and becoming more widespread.

Either condition leaves the person under demonic control, one (an influencing Spirit) is easier to cast out than the other.

 

[SavedOnebyGrace]

On 1/29/2023 at 1:36 PM, Mr. M said:

Matthew 12:22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute;

and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw.

Modern medicine has had many breakthroughs that the world considers miraculous, including

blind and deaf ailments. but in the New Testament, there was always devils, demons, and unclean spirits involved.

What modern medicine cannot deal with is the spiritual component of healing, miraculous

or otherwise, because we know this from scripture.

Matthew 12:

43 “When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 

44 Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty,

swept, and put in order. 

45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself,

and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

So shall it also be with this wicked generation.”

Luke 13:11 And, behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years,

and was bowed together, and could in no wise lift up herself.

A modern secular humanist might conclude this is a something arthritic, or a congenital 

disease and see hope for a cure. Unless the spirit of infirmity is dealt with, the healing

will leave the person vulnerable to other forms of attack.

There are more examples from scripture. I may come back and add more, or maybe you would....

Modern medicine wasn't available at that time. Jesus healed men, women and children for those that had faith. Faith like that is wanting among Christians today. God can use our infirmities to bring us back to Him and build up our faith. Cancer may be the only way some folks will turn to Jesus. So it may be a good thing, but I will still take medicine as needed.

Good post Mr. M.

[HAZARD]

Luke 5:30-31 ;

30, But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners? 
    31, And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. 

[The Barbarian]

On 5/23/2023 at 5:45 AM, RV_Wizard said:

Demons convince many that evolution is a proven fact

It's directly observed to happen.   Can't do much better proof than that.   Maybe you don't know what the scientific definition of biological evolution is.   What do you think it is?

 

[The Barbarian]

On 5/23/2023 at 5:45 AM, RV_Wizard said:

Demons influence the media, who in turn influence us. 

Even the far-right media seem more politically-fixated than demon-possessed.    We should be very cautious of blaming demons for everything we don't like.

 

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by The Barbarian

[RV_Wizard]

On 8/9/2023 at 12:10 PM, The Barbarian said:

It's directly observed to happen.   Can't do much better proof than that.   Maybe you don't know what the scientific definition of biological evolution is.   What do you think it is?

 

No it hasn't.

Experiments designed to force evolution in fruit lies proved that fruit flies remain, s does everything else, as it was.  Adaptation happens.  It results in a net loss of information.  Increasing complexity has not been and cannot be observed.  Evolution proponents themselves say that evolution takes time.  It's their out.  Given enough time complexity will arise from discord.  It never happens in reality.  Raw energy destroys.  No bomb ever created a masterpiece.

There is one true law; God's law.  There is one true word; God's word.  Jesus, who was there when Adam and Eve were created tells us that from the beginning God created man in His image and woman from man.  Jesus taught that the Scriptures were correct and suitable for teaching.  He didn't say Earth was millions of years old, though He would know to the moment the age.  Jesus DID cast out demons and through the Holy Spirit He empowered His followers to do the same.  Do we think things are changed now just because we understand the basics of medicine?  If demons did exist they DO exist.  If they worked to deceive man they still do.  If God could heal the sick once He can do it now; just as He raised the dead.  As a reminder, He did that 10 times.

Sickness and death came to mankind through the sins of Adam.  Prior to that there was no death.  There was no disease.  Through one man came destruction, just as through one man, Jesus, there is salvation.  This is what the word of God teaches.  Teaching contrary to that is heresy.

[FJK]

On 8/9/2023 at 10:10 AM, The Barbarian said:

It's directly observed to happen. 

What new species have been observed to have emerged and from what old species did they come?

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, FJK said:

What new species have been observed to have emerged and from what old species did they come?

D. miranda from D. pseudoobscura.

http://www.esp.org/foundations/genetics/classical/holdings/Genetics/Genetics-1935-20-4-377.pdf