Was Moses the first resurrection of man before Jesus ?

[FreeGrace]

8 hours ago, Michael37 said:

It's Acts 26:23, not 23:26 as first stated. Second mention above is correct.

The Shunammite's son and Lazarus were raised from the dead before Christ, but not in permanent victory over death itself, the which Christ is the first in both experience and eminence.

Typo regarding Acts 26:23.  Maybe some dyslexia too.   

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

20 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Speaking about resurrection, Elijah has raised the widow's child from death, Jesus has raised Jarius daughter and Lazarus, Enoch was taken alive to heaven and translated into immortality. 

Peter offered to make tents for Elijah and Moses because they were really alive, although Moses and Elijah who might be the two Witnesses of Revelation shall be defeated by the beast from bottom less pit, his arrival in the great tribulation has shown that Moses has been resurrected. 

@Free grace

Your right. However the ones you mention were temporary. They died again. Enoch can't be considered a resurrection because he didn't die. The 2 Witnesses will only be defeated after their 42 month ministry ends and then they will only be dead for 3 days before they are resurrected. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

16 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

You just proved that Moses didn't died. 

I never said Moses didn't die. It's very clear he did. But his burial site is hidden from everyone. 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

I never said Moses didn't die. It's very clear he did. But his burial site is hidden from everyone. 

There is no proof that 

Moses died and there is no proof that Moses continue to live on earth...they only proof is that 

Moses appeared on the mountain of configuration and was together with Elijah who was taken alive unto Heaven....

And Jesus said to his three disciples "do not say anything to anyone "...

There were a reason why Moses came down from Heaven together with Elijah because he was taken in Heaven and he did not died..

Moses came from Heaven...

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Your right. However the ones you mention were temporary. They died again. Enoch can't be considered a resurrection because he didn't die. The 2 Witnesses will only be defeated after their 42 month ministry ends and then they will only be dead for 3 days before they are resurrected. 

Also Elijah did not die...he was taken alive by the chariot and Elisha was a witness...

Like with Moses the same thing happened with Elijah the people went about to searched for the body of Elijah and they did not find any...they believed that the Lord took Elijah to Heaven but without his earthly body..

And at some point they kept Elijah in the chariot but they throw his body out...and they were searching for his body. 

[Marathoner]

As @Michael37 pointed out previously by sharing the appropriate passage of scripture, Moses did indeed die. Moses died in Moab as Deuteronomy 34:5 testifies.

[DeighAnn]

8 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

There are many accounts of people being raised from the dead, with several from the OT.  But acts 26:23 tells us that Jesus is the FIRST to rise from the dead.  So, that means all other rising from the dead do not include the glorified immoral bodies that Paul described in 1 Cor 15.  All those who were raised from the dead died again.  Even Lazarus.

If that isn't the biggest GRAND CANYON leap to a conclusion I have ever seen, I don't know what is.   IS THAT THE BEREAN WAY?  Maybe I just don't understand what studying the berean way means unless it is just another way of saying 'I conclude' or have come to a 'conclusion' based upon a FEW I think I know facts.

  35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


How many BODIES do we see in just those 4 verses?  WHAT BODY, not that body, God give a body, to every seed a body


Yet, somehow, I am wrong to believe we are raised in a body? 



Where are all the 'spirit's without bodies MENTIONED when it comes to being raised up?  especially since it couldn't be made clearer we ARE raised up it is in a body and it is in glory and that takes place when this body is sown and not some 'later date'.  

So here again and 

AGAIN HERE, HERE IS WHAT IS WRITTEN.  

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

AND AGAIN HERE

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:

AND YET AGAIN HERE

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

AND HERE AGAIN

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

Who knows, maybe someday soon there will be a 'rewrite that leaves out the WORD BODY' here....but till then WHAT IS WRITTEN isn't what you are saying.  


AND TO BE SURE YOU ARE NOT CONFUSED BY WHAT IS RAISED UP

when the raising up is taking place, 

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The natural body goes back to dust and the 'WITH WHAT BODY ARE THE DEAD RAISED' is raised up  

How does one go from THAT to
1. we are not raised in a body THE FIRST TIME, we are separated from it
2. we are not raised in incorruption THE FIRST TIME but have to return 
3. we are not raised in glory THE FIRST TIME in the spiritual body because???
4. we are not raised in power again that all comes from the corruption of the earth when the DEAD are raised.  

WILL there be a 7 day waiting period for the 'dead body' to be 'cleansed' or does the spirit join with the dead body and then wait the 7 days for the cleansing to take place? 

At what point do you see the DEAD BODY going FROM UNCLEAN AND NOT TO BE TOUCHED TO GLORIFIED AND LIVED IN?

Anyway, if I didn't ask before,  where it is written

WE ARE raised up not ONCE but TWICE, and
  
WHAT BODY does the 'bodyless spirit' sow, for the spiritual body to be raised up from?  Or do THOSE VERSES just not work under any circumstances here?


From
A resurrection of BOTH
to 
2 separate resurrections of each one separately

I guess if I could make that kind of a leap this would be so much easier but alas...

 

Our works FOLLOW US.  We REST from them.  We go before the JUDGMENT seat of Christ to RECEIVE the things done in this body.  Without a body, a heart and a mind, or even a soul to bestow them upon, WHERE DO THOSE THINGS GO?  

Why would GOD set up such a chaotic plan when it is so simple to just follow what is written? 

God made us in image with BODY and SOUL, so why take that away?   Since Christ was raised in a body wouldn't it seem more likely we would be also?  


Seems so much confusion with what we are shown to be in heaven already such as
BODIES OF ELDERS
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

BODIES OF ANGELS
And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

BODIES OF PRIESTS AND KINGS
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

BODIES OF EVERY CREATURE EVERYWHERE
13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT IS NEVER MENTIONED, NOT ONCE? 

BODYLESS AIR, waiting to return to earth to BECOME A PART OF THE DEAD to rise for a 2nd time

HOW do we know they are from EVERY NATION KINDRED TONGUE AND PEOPLE if they are all just AIR?

 
1Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

2(It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)

3Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

4When Jesus heard that, he said,
This sickness is not unto death,
but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

 THAT is the difference between the 'dead' rising FOR THE GLORY OF GOD and
Christ BEING RAISED UP OUT OF THE PLACE OF THE DEAD. 


WHAT IS WRITTEN will SHOW the errors every time and at every turn.   

Why was Christ FIRST?  Because no one else ever went to the place of the dead WITHOUT their own sin. 

Because He willingly bore OURS. 

Because No one was raised from the place of the dead before He was

Because No one else ever brought so much light to the world

Because No one else ever raised anyone else 

I can think of more reasons why He would be FIRST but I can't think of any way He could be raised up before Enoch, or Elijah not having been born of the flesh and died until after them...





 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Enoch can't be considered a resurrection because he didn't die.

Will the alive and remaining who are changed and 'caught up' to the Lord also not be considered 'resurrected'?

When we are 'born from above' symbolically died and risen with Christ in baptism, is that not a 'resurrection' unto life?  Does resurrection only come at the death of the flesh body? 

[DeighAnn]

11 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No, Jesus paid the debt on the cross.  For everyone.  

Yes, but those under the LAW died BEFORE He did, hence Him being the FIRSTFRUITS of them that slept.  

Isn't GOING to the place of the DEAD ONE of the reasons the law of sin and death needed to be replaced?  Because it could only point out what sin was but could offer no forgiveness for it? 

[DeighAnn]

11 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

We know that "those who belong to Him", which means ALL believers of all time, will be resurrected "when He comes", a refernce to the Second Advent.

No WE don't.  This 1/2 of the WE believes we FOLLOW HIM and that happens every man in his own order and 

when Christ returns it is the DEAD, not the living who rise.  It is the ALIVE and remaining who belong to HIM AT THAT TIME

as THE WHOLE WORLD has been deceived and if the time wasn't shortened then even GODS elect would be deceived and NO FLESH  would be saved.  

SO those who belong TO HIM are returning WITH HIM, because as Jesus died and rose, even so them and God will bring them back with Him when He returns at the 2nd Advent.  That is how we know the difference between the dead and the living.  The LIVING never die follow Him and return with Him

while the DEAD don't know the way and so go to the place of the dead until He returns.  That is when the DEAD rise.  BOTH the just and the unjust DEAD.  Why BOTH and WHY at the return of Christ?  

BECAUSE THEY NEVER CHOSE.  They died NEVER HAVING been given a chance.  THEY are who will be taught for the 1000 years.  They are the DEAD who will do WORKS during the Lords Day to GET THEIR names in the book of life, IF INDEED they are just.....THOSE of the DEAD who are raised to eternal damnation WON'T get their names in the book of life but they will die the 2nd death of both body and soul.   

and AFTER ALL those dead are judged, both the just and the unjust DEAD,

THEN will hell death ande the sea give up the rest of the dead...

THAT is yet another 'rising up' of the DEAD.  The dead who rise when Christ returns BOTH JUST AND UNJUST and the dead that rise AFTER they are judged.