R. Hartono Posted March 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) As Moses body was taken to heaven by angel Michael for resurrection and thats why he could appear with Elijah at the mountain to meet Jesus. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude 9&version=NIV Moses and Elijah might be the coming 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11 in the great tribulation which proofs that Moses has been resurrected. God did bury Moses in a secret place for some time and then He sent Michael. The idea that angel Michael disputed the devil because Michael wanted to bury Moses body in secret place is very absurd, how can Michael bury Moses in secret if the devil already found the place and resisted Michael ? The devil resisted Michael because it was not about burial of Moses but because the devil resisted Moses body to be taken. The devil hate resurrection, not burial. Peter offered to make tents for Moses and Elijah because they were literally visiting Jesus. It was not a spiritual vision otherwise Peter was such a fool. Jesus said "Destroy this temple and I Will raise it again in 3 days". It means Jesus has the power by Himself to resurrect. While Moses, Lazarus, and Jarius daughter were resurrected not by their own power. Therefore Jesus is the FIRST and the only one that raised from death by His own power. Because He is the "Words became flesh". Edited March 23, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted March 1, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.62 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2023 Scripture doesn't say Moses body was taken to heaven. Jude seems to indicate that Michael buried the body. We know people didn't. He also hasn't been resurrected yet. He appeared with Elijah with Jesus, but that was in spirit form. People have been temporarily resurrected only to die again. The first resurrection will be the dead in Christ moments before the rapture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 1, 2023 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,946 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,868 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, R. Hartono said: As Moses body was taken to heaven by angel Michael and he also appeared with Elijah at the mountain to meet Jesus. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jude 9&version=NIV Moses' body wasn't taken to heaven by anyone but the Lord buried it so it couldn't be found and used for idolatrous and superstitious purposes. Michael's dispute with Satan was to ensure the location of Moses' body wasn't made known by him or moved. The appearance of Moses at the Transfiguration was in the form of a vision, something Jesus Himself confirms in the narrative. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted March 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) On 3/1/2023 at 11:07 AM, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Scripture doesn't say Moses body was taken to heaven. Jude seems to indicate that Michael buried the body. We know people didn't. He also hasn't been resurrected yet. He appeared with Elijah with Jesus, but that was in spirit form. People have been temporarily resurrected only to die again. The first resurrection will be the dead in Christ moments before the rapture. On 3/1/2023 at 11:09 AM, Michael37 said: Moses' body wasn't taken to heaven by anyone but the Lord buried it so it couldn't be found and used for idolatrous and superstitious purposes. Michael's dispute with Satan was to ensure the location of Moses' body wasn't made known by him or moved. The appearance of Moses at the Transfiguration was in the form of a vision, something Jesus Himself confirms in the narrative. The Bible did not say it was a vision either. Why Peter wanted to build tents for Moses and Elijah if it was only a vision ? Is he such a fool ? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 17&version=NIV Why would the devil prevent angel Michael from burying Moses body ? No good for the devil to do that. All prophets have their tombs like Joshua, Elias, Patriarchs of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob in Hebron, David's grave in Jerusalem, Joseph's tomb in Nablus, all have their graves known to people. Your fear that somebody might disgrace or steal Moses body doesnt make sense because the devil can follow Michael to know where Moses grave was so he could send somebody to steal it anyway. Imho Michael did not try to bury him but to pick his body for God purpose of resurrection. Thats why the devil resisted the resurrection of Moses. Imho Moses and Elijah Will be the 2 witnesses of Revelation. They needed to visit Jesus literally for their testimony to the world in the great tribulation. The Law says at least 2 or 3 Witnesses is required to testify things, so to assume that what Peter saw was a vision is very absurd. Why would Jesus had a conversation with a vision ? This is even more absurd. Enoch was the first Immortal man taken to heaven, what's wrong if Moses was resurrected ? @Marathoner Edited March 2, 2023 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted March 1, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.62 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2023 4 hours ago, R. Hartono said: The Bible did not say it was a vision either. Why Peter wanted to build tents for Moses and Elijah if it was only a vision ? Is he such a fool ? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 17&version=NIV Why would the devil prevent angel Michael from burying Moses body ? No good for the devil to do that. All prophets like Joshua, Elias, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob in Hebron, David's grave in Jerusalem, Joseph in Nablus, all have their graves known to people. Imho Michael did not try to bury him but to pick his body for God purpose of resurrection. Thats why the devil resisted the resurrection of Moses. Imho Moses and Elijah Will be the 2 witnesses of Revelation. They needed to visit Jesus literally for their testimony to the world in the great tribulation. I never said that it was a vision. I believe 100% that Moses and Elijah left heaven for a moment to visit Jesus. That's why Peter wanted the tents. They were really there and he wanted them to stay there. As for Moses body, I think Michael buried him in secret. Neither man nor Satan knows the exact burial spot. Who knows why? Maybe so the body can be used again as 1 of the 2 witnesses. Maybe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted March 1, 2023 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,946 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,868 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted March 1, 2023 8 hours ago, R. Hartono said: The Bible did not say it was a vision either. Mat 17:9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead." 8 hours ago, R. Hartono said: Why would the devil prevent angel Michael from burying Moses body ? Why would you think Michael was involved in burying Moses when Scripture tells us God Himself buried him as follows. Michael had to stop Satan disclosing the location which would lead to the desecration and moving of the body of Moses by ungodly people. No resurrection of the body of Moses has happened according to Scripture. Deu 34:1-6 Then Moses went up from the plains of Moab to Mount Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, which is across from Jericho. And the LORD showed him all the land of Gilead as far as Dan, (2) all Naphtali and the land of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the Western Sea, (3) the South, and the plain of the Valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, as far as Zoar. (4) Then the LORD said to him, "This is the land of which I swore to give Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying, 'I will give it to your descendants.' I have caused you to see it with your eyes, but you shall not cross over there." (5) So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. (6) And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day. Blessings from Michael37. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted March 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,137 Content Per Day: 7.06 Reputation: 13,089 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2023 An excellent response by @Michael37. Much appreciated, my friend. @R. Hartono, in light of Michael's response to your questions, consider that the ungodly people who might do things with the body of Moses would be some among the number of Israel. As we read from Exodus 34, And it came about, when Moses was coming down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the testimony were in Moses’ hand as he was coming down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because of his speaking with Him. So when Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to approach him. Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers in the congregation returned to him; and Moses spoke to them. Afterward all the sons of Israel came near, and he commanded them to do everything that the Lord had spoken to him on Mount Sinai. When Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face. But whenever Moses went in before the Lord to speak with Him, he would take off the veil until he came out; and whenever he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he had been commanded, the sons of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone. So Moses would put the veil back over his face until he went in to speak with Him. (verses 29 - 35 NASB) The face of Moses shined from speaking with the Lord. Moses veiled his face so others wouldn't be afraid to see him, including Aaron. We don't have to imagine why the Lord Himself buried the body of Moses in such a way that no one would be able to find his body. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted March 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Marathoner said: An excellent response by @Michael37. Much appreciated, my friend. @R. Hartono, in light of Michael's response to your questions, consider that the ungodly people who might do things with the body of Moses would be some among the number of Israel. As we read from Exodus 34, And it came about, when Moses was coming down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the testimony were in Moses’ hand as he was coming down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because of his speaking with Him. So when Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to approach him. Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers in the congregation returned to him; and Moses spoke to them. Afterward all the sons of Israel came near, and he commanded them to do everything that the Lord had spoken to him on Mount Sinai. When Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face. But whenever Moses went in before the Lord to speak with Him, he would take off the veil until he came out; and whenever he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he had been commanded, the sons of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone. So Moses would put the veil back over his face until he went in to speak with Him. (verses 29 - 35 NASB) The face of Moses shined from speaking with the Lord. Moses veiled his face so others wouldn't be afraid to see him, including Aaron. We don't have to imagine why the Lord Himself buried the body of Moses in such a way that no one would be able to find his body. You have the rights to believe what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted March 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,938 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 21 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: I never said that it was a vision. I believe 100% that Moses and Elijah left heaven for a moment to visit Jesus. That's why Peter wanted the tents. They were really there and he wanted them to stay there. As for Moses body, I think Michael buried him in secret. Neither man nor Satan knows the exact burial spot. Who knows why? Maybe so the body can be used again as 1 of the 2 witnesses. Maybe? If Michael wanted to hide Moses's grave then there's no place on earth the devil doesnt know. Remember the prince of Persia that resisted Gabriel and Michael when they visited Daniel on this earth ? They have equal power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted March 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.62 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: If Michael wanted to hide Moses's grave then there's no place on earth the devil doesnt know. Remember the prince of Persia that resisted Gabriel and Michael when they visited Daniel on this earth ? They have equal power. Satan is not omnipresent. Lots of things happen on this earth that he doesn't witness, though he probably still knows about them from his demons. Sadly the actual burial of Moses isn't really mentioned in scripture expect for a few very broad verses that leave us to speculate about what if. I will say with certainty that Michael and Satan are NOT of equal power. This is clear because Michael and his angels defeated Satan and his angels during the war in Heaven. Also, Michael is and has always been the Chief Angel. Some claim that Satan was before his fall, but there's no actual scripture to suggest this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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