Four questions for YECs - (and a little history of creationism vs evolution)

[Daniel Marsh]

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The Bible mentions the Lilith only once, as a dweller in waste places (Isaiah 34:14), but the characterization of the Lilith or the lili (in the singular or plural) as a seducer or slayer of children has a long pre-history in ancient Babylonian religion. J. A. Scurlock writes, “The lilû-demons and their female counterparts the lilitu or ardat lilî-demons were hungry for victims because they had once been human; they were the spirits of young men and women who had themselves died young.” These demons “slipped through windows into people’s houses looking for victims to take the place of husbands and wives whom they themselves never had.” Another, related demoness was Lamashtu, who threatened new-born babies and “had a disagreeable taste for human flesh and blood.” The figures of Lamashtu and the lilû and lilitu demons eventually converged to form one type of evil figure that seduced men and women and attacked children (Hutter).  The liliths are known particularly from the Aramaic incantation bowls from Sassanian and early Islamic Iraq and Iran (roughly 400–800 C.E.)."  https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/lilith

"...Lilith as the first wife of Adam."  https://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Projects/Reln91/Power/lilith.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

There are myths that she had children with Adam.

 

 

[Daniel Marsh]

I am not going to keep up.   Anyone can give me a breif summary? please

[BeyondET]

14 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

Such as...?

There's 11 or so mentioned in the old testament. One example below.

2 Chronicles 20:34

Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

[ChristB4us]

3 hours ago, BeyondET said:

There's 11 or so mentioned in the old testament. One example below.

2 Chronicles 20:34

Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

Interesting.

Even though the 1 Kings and 2 Kings were mentioned to verify the Book of Jehu, as if to find more "historical account of Jehoshaphat", mayhap 2 Chronicles 20:34 was testifying to it as a historical footnote or historical reference from what the 1 Chronicles and 2 Chronicles being regarded as scripture but the Book of Jehu was not, but only as a further historical account of Jehoshaphat?

So more than likely, the Book of Jehu was not to be considered scripture otherwise, God would have made sure it was preserved as scripture.

[ChristB4us]

11 hours ago, Daniel Marsh said:

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The Bible mentions the Lilith only once, as a dweller in waste places (Isaiah 34:14), but the characterization of the Lilith or the lili (in the singular or plural) as a seducer or slayer of children has a long pre-history in ancient Babylonian religion. J. A. Scurlock writes, “The lilû-demons and their female counterparts the lilitu or ardat lilî-demons were hungry for victims because they had once been human; they were the spirits of young men and women who had themselves died young.” These demons “slipped through windows into people’s houses looking for victims to take the place of husbands and wives whom they themselves never had.” Another, related demoness was Lamashtu, who threatened new-born babies and “had a disagreeable taste for human flesh and blood.” The figures of Lamashtu and the lilû and lilitu demons eventually converged to form one type of evil figure that seduced men and women and attacked children (Hutter).  The liliths are known particularly from the Aramaic incantation bowls from Sassanian and early Islamic Iraq and Iran (roughly 400–800 C.E.)."  https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/lilith

"...Lilith as the first wife of Adam."  https://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Projects/Reln91/Power/lilith.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

There are myths that she had children with Adam.

 

 

I agree.  They are myths as in Jewish fables that we were warned about.

There are fragments of a certain Jewish fable where Satan had union with Eve and Cain came from him as that was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls too.

Is Cain the Serpent Seed?

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

[BeyondET]

On 5/6/2023 at 7:05 AM, ChristB4us said:

Interesting.

Even though the 1 Kings and 2 Kings were mentioned to verify the Book of Jehu, as if to find more "historical account of Jehoshaphat", mayhap 2 Chronicles 20:34 was testifying to it as a historical footnote or historical reference from what the 1 Chronicles and 2 Chronicles being regarded as scripture but the Book of Jehu was not, but only as a further historical account of Jehoshaphat?

So more than likely, the Book of Jehu was not to be considered scripture otherwise, God would have made sure it was preserved as scripture.

It was considered enough to be mentioned. Would of made sure to be in scripture doesn't make sense. Since He made sure it was mentioned. The book of job made it through the flood. The current collection was determined by man.

https://www.history.com/topics/religion/bible

Biblical Canon

Surviving documents from the 4th century show that different councils within the church released lists to guide how various Christian texts should be treated.

The earliest known attempt to create a canon in the same respect as the New Testament was in 2nd century Rome by Marcion, a Turkish businessman and church leader.

Marcion’s work focused on the Gospel of Luke and the letters of Paul. Disapproving of the effort, the Roman church expelled Marcion.

Second-century Syrian writer Tatian attempted to create a canon by weaving the four gospels together as the Diatessaron.

The Muratorian Canon, which is believed to date to 200 A.D., is the earliest compilation of canonical texts resembling the New Testament.

It was not until the 5th century that all the different Christian churches came to a basic agreement on Biblical canon. The books that eventually were considered canon reflect the times they were embraced as much the times of the events they portray.

Edited May 10, 2023 by BeyondET

[ChristB4us]

10 hours ago, BeyondET said:

It was considered enough to be mentioned. Would of made sure to be in scripture doesn't make sense. Since He made sure it was mentioned. The book of job made it through the flood. The current collection was determined by man.

https://www.history.com/topics/religion/bible

Biblical Canon

Surviving documents from the 4th century show that different councils within the church released lists to guide how various Christian texts should be treated.

The earliest known attempt to create a canon in the same respect as the New Testament was in 2nd century Rome by Marcion, a Turkish businessman and church leader.

Marcion’s work focused on the Gospel of Luke and the letters of Paul. Disapproving of the effort, the Roman church expelled Marcion.

Second-century Syrian writer Tatian attempted to create a canon by weaving the four gospels together as the Diatessaron.

The Muratorian Canon, which is believed to date to 200 A.D., is the earliest compilation of canonical texts resembling the New Testament.

It was not until the 5th century that all the different Christian churches came to a basic agreement on Biblical canon. The books that eventually were considered canon reflect the times they were embraced as much the times of the events they portray.

I would think the key search would be how the Jews had assembled the scriptures for the Old Testament.  Was the Book of Jehu considered scripture then?

Chronicles and Kings have testimonies about the Lord.

So if there are no testimonies of the Lord in the Book of Jehu but just a historical account about Jehu, could that be why it was not considered scripture event by Christians?

[BeyondET]

13 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

I would think the key search would be how the Jews had assembled the scriptures for the Old Testament.  Was the Book of Jehu considered scripture then?

Chronicles and Kings have testimonies about the Lord.

So if there are no testimonies of the Lord in the Book of Jehu but just a historical account about Jehu, could that be why it was not considered scripture event by Christians?

You are hung up on one when there's 11 other mentioned books also in the old testament. If the Lord wanted then mentioned its for reason not just a historical account. Jesus did many things there's not enough books to contain it all.

[ChristB4us]

5 hours ago, BeyondET said:

You are hung up on one when there's 11 other mentioned books also in the old testament. If the Lord wanted then mentioned its for reason not just a historical account. Jesus did many things there's not enough books to contain it all.

But the reference was about Jehu and what he had done as if a non-Biblical source.  It did not say anything about what God had done in reference to that Book of Jehu.  

And I point out that if the Jews did not regard them as scripture to be considered part of the Old Testament Bible of theirs of what God has done, should that say something?

 

 

[BeyondET]

8 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

But the reference was about Jehu and what he had done as if a non-Biblical source.  It did not say anything about what God had done in reference to that Book of Jehu.  

And I point out that if the Jews did not regard them as scripture to be considered part of the Old Testament Bible of theirs of what God has done, should that say something?

 

 

It should say something they are mentioned in scripture.

How can a non Biblical source be mentioned in the Bible? Think about that for a moment.