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Submission is a good or bad thing?

The feminist movement made the women to feel shy for what, in biblical times, was considered honor. For instance, in the past, to have children was a blessing (see, for instance, how mourned Hannah in the Creator’s presence only for the privilege of becoming mother (1Sam 1:9-11) and how Elisabeth felt when she conceived John, the Baptist (Luke 1:25)). Today, many people consider maternity a disease. It suffices to see the great quantity of women who make use of contraceptive and huge quantity of abortions carried out in the world.

But the worst thing is the disdain of the feminists for the gift of submission. When the Holy Scripture says that wife ought to be acquiescent to her husband, this sounds as a crime, a heinous teaching proclaimed by the religious institutions.

Nonetheless, submission is one of the great gifts of the Creator to the women. In Song 8:5 we can see the outcome of submission: Shulamite found peace (Song 8:10) resting in the Creator leaned in her husband (such as Sarah, through submission to Abraham, was able to not fear anything that was frightening – 1Peter 3:6).

For you understanding what is submission, imagine you doing a long journey by car through a road fraught of beautiful and delightful landscapes. The passenger can rest enjoying each detail of the landscape (sky, birds, animals, vegetation) while eat and drink something scrumptious. If the passenger gets tired, he can sleep. If the car gets a flat tire, the responsibility of changing the tire is of the driver. If there's a police operation, it's the driver who needs to be accountable answering the police questions. It is the driver who needs to care about the crazy and bad drivers, as well as swerve from the hindrances in the road.

In short: the only thing that the passenger needs to do is enjoy the trip, especially if road is in perfect state and the car is luxurious. All the predicaments are to be sorted out by the driver, who, in addition, can’t enjoy deeply the landscape.

The only thing that can preclude this travel to be a paradisiac moment is the driver. 

Well, in the kingdom of the Creator, the car symbolizes Jesus (we need to be inside Him) and the road, the Holy Scripture. Therefore, if the woman stays in Jesus obeying His commandments, the only thing that can hamper her to live a quiet, peaceful and pleasant travel during her peregrination along this world is the person that she will choose to drive her until Jesus call her to account for her actions.

If the single woman bides with patience in Jesus (Ps 40:1) until He leads her toward the future husband that He prepared for her, certainly she will be extremely relish submitting to his love without any uneasiness.

So, have a good day going over this message and, to the women I say: 

1 – If you are single, pray so that Jesus can bring to you someone much wiser than you and that love you as Jesus loved him and you. So, you will be able to enjoy the privilege which comes with the submission.

2 – If you are married and your husband isn’t savvy, pray to Jesus so that the wisdom in his life outdoes yours. If your faith is pure, Jesus will answer your prayer:

•    Jas 1:5-7 -> “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord;”.
  
Can you be sure: it is better your husband to be full of Jesus’ wisdom and you give in on it than belittle the gift of submission and rebel against the Creator’s plan trying to take over the control of your home. In the end, your home will be the outset of the hell (which will become your eternal home for rejecting Jesus’ plan).

Furthermore, considering that the Creator’s plans can’t be thwarted (Job 42:2; Isa 43:13), as the Creator established the husband as head of the home, it is his ideas and plans which will prevail.

Finally, although is extremely important and needful that the woman increases in faith, glory, grace and wisdom (Prov 14:1), she should seek out in Christ that her husband can always increase even more in all of it. So, she won’t find any problem with the submission and, thus, she will be a great woman of the Creator, wife and mother (exactly what she really needs to be).

So, to you woman, that this day can show to you the importance of being woman and of not letting anybody make you forget that you are special exactly because you are who you are. You don’t need to change to please someone (unless the Holy Spirit desire to work in you His cleanness for salvation of yours, of your family and of people close to you – Phil 2:12,13; Titus 3:4-6).
 

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A body without a head is useless, as is a head without a body.

 

So which is more important, the head or the body?

 

 

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11 hours ago, Leonardo Von said:

Submission is a good or bad thing?

Jesus submitted to the will of God the Father, was he wrong to do that?

 

There is a hierarchy in the Godhead, the Spirit submits to the Son and the Son submits to the Father and the Father loves the Son totally, as the Son equally loves the Spirit.

 

One can understand feminists objection to wives submitting to their husbands when all that is taught is their submission.

 

The biblical reality is what woman will not willing submit to a man who loves her so much that he will give up everything for her.

 

It is this sacrificial love that has not be taught, preach and lived.

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@Leonardo Von

I do not object to the teachings of the Bible about wives and husbands.  What I vehemently object to human being's interpretations about wives and husbands which are not found in the Bible - only the opinions of men and even some women.

For example - you said:

[1]  "...to the women I say:  If you are single, pray so that Jesus can bring to you someone much wiser than you..."

[2] "...If you are married and your husband isn’t savvy, pray to Jesus so that the wisdom in his life outdoes yours."

So what you are saying is that in a marriage relationship, the wife has to be the dumb one and the husband much smarter than her.  Where is that in the Bible?

Where is it in the Bible that submission is a gift?  

There is much in your OP that I object to, but I have no time to go over it all.

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Jayne said:

So what you are saying is that in a marriage relationship, the wife has to be the dumb one and the husband much smarter than her.  Where is that in the Bible?

Dumber and smarter aren't in the bible, they don't apply to husband and wife.  If you let it become that way your are opposing that which God intended.

 

Different of roles in marriage is, both roles being absolutely equal in importance even if separately different.  Husband and wife each have a role which should be expected and demanded of the other for a functional family, something our modern day world seems intent on obliterating.

 

(And, yes, there is always that "battle of the sexes" going on as a result, but that is not a bad thing. Conflict and its Godly resolution makes us as individual and the family as a whole stronger.)

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@FJK I am reminded of Exodus 10.23 where the children of Israel had 'light in their dwellings' amidst the darkness and plagues of Egypt.

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2 hours ago, FJK said:

Dumber and smarter aren't in the bible, they don't apply to husband and wife.  

I didn't say that.  The OP did.

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Interesting that in Philippians 2 the Lord Jesus is both equal with the Father and subject: there is no stigma or conflict in either of these characteristics.

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4 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I didn't say that.  The OP did.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you did.  I should replied differently to make that clear, maybe I'm just getting old.

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