Paul was not speaking as a Christian in Romans 7

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4 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Let us look down and see that mat on the ground? Says "WELCOME"

As sis said why did you stop? Wretched and miserable man that I am! Who will [rescue me and] set me free from this body of death [this corrupt, mortal existence]? Thanks be to God [for my deliverance] through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind serve the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh [my human nature, my worldliness, my sinful capacity—I serve] the law of sin.

Its not a "difficult topic" since this is the first time I heard this one. They said Paul said 143 times "in Christ, in Him". I'm guessing he knew Christ.

I do not understand the inference behind your "welcome" comment but the smiley face gives me encouragement that you are indeed being 'welcoming', thank you.

I stopped at 24 for the same reason I have already posted, that it is this verse which was the intended subject of discussion.

I am surprised if you are not familiar with this subject as being "difficult" and that it is the first time you heard of it, it has been around for a very long time.

[Mr. M]

6 minutes ago, crossroman said:

Have I not been misquoted? I thought my heading of topic read "In Romans 7 Paul was not speaking as a Christian" with nothing said about being under the law?

A difference without a distinction.

You say, "Paul was not speaking as a Christian".

I say he was, and added "formerly under Law, now

free in Christ, which is at the heart of what it meant

to him to now walk by faith. 

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8 hours ago, Mr. M said:

 

Welcome and Shalom!

Paul spoke as a Christian, formerly bound by Law, now set free in Christ.

If you are jumping in with something as heady as Romans 7, I would assume

you are familiar with Pauline Doctrine as a whole.

Philippians 3:

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinks

that he has whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin,

an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord:

for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through

the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings,

being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Did I say in my topic heading "as one under the law"?

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4 hours ago, Anne2 said:

So, Jewish, born again believers speak as they are under the law? Are they under the law?

 

4 hours ago, Anne2 said:

So, Jewish, born again believers speak as they are under the law? Are they under the law?

 

4 hours ago, Anne2 said:

So, Jewish, born again believers speak as they are under the law? Are they under the law?

Thanks Anne

 

6 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Hello again! Great to see you again!

I did notice you remarked earlier something about "at this rate" suggesting little response for an amount of viewing time,I thought I might mention in most parts in the USA I believe it was between 3 and 5am because that's when your Topic got started- I'm not sure where you live but the Forums are not so active that early- for me ,I'm ready for coffee,breakfast & have already finished my household chores, lol

So in regards to your OP statement,it's hard to answer as you did not ask if Paul is a Christian but if he speaks AS one.An unusual way of wording it but my response is that Paul was a Born Again Believer at this time,so yes he must speak as.a Christian because he is a Christian yet he is speaking as one who was under the Law -certainly not from a Gentile point of view,but from one who is Jewish - I'd say Paul was the first Messianic Jew!

Good Topic,well done!

With love in Christ,Kwik

Getting mixed up here  Thanks were to intended to kwiikphilly but ended up to Anne, sorry, yes I knew the time difference was the problem but thought I may as well get the ball rolling, no criticism intended. Yes the wording was "AS a Christian" which is really the whole point of it, that though he WAS a Christian at the time, that he was not speaking as one.

I am beginning to get the idea that many people here on this forum have strong ties to the law  

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21 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

A difference without a distinction.

You say, "Paul was not speaking as a Christian".

I say he was, and added "formerly under Law, now

free in Christ, which is at the heart of what it meant

to him to now walk by faith. 

OK

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1 minute ago, crossroman said:

OK we differ.

 

[Mr. M]

19 minutes ago, crossroman said:

Did I say in my topic heading "as one under the law"?

Your title said, Romans 7. His struggles under the Law,

and victory over those struggles by Grace is the topic of

the chapter. I don't need your title to inform me of this, 

it is simply the reality. The topic of Romans 7, and the core

of Paul's teachings is Law vs Grace.

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12 hours ago, BibleWords said:

Are you kidding?

You can’t possibly be suggesting that Paul the apostle, who wrote 13 New Testament books, and God called to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, was not a believer.

Is that what you are saying?

Thought I answered this already somewhere, sorry, no that is not what I am saying.

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7 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Your title said, Romans 7. His struggles under the Law,

and victory over those struggles by Grace is the topic of

the chapter. I don't need your title to inform me of this, 

it is simply the reality. The topic of Romans 7, and the core

of Paul's teachings is Law vs Grace.

Ok but it did read as though the topic title had been changed.

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, crossroman said:

Did I say in my topic heading "as one under the law"?

Here's your OP (original post).

17 hours ago, crossroman said:

In Romans chapter 7 Paul was not speaking as a Christian but as one under the law.

The suggestion that Paul was not speaking as a Christian flies in the face of his testimony, and if it were proven true would make him a liar and a fraud.