crossroman Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2023 In Romans chapter 7 Paul was not speaking as a Christian but as one under the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,467 Topics Per Day: 1.25 Content Count: 27,827 Content Per Day: 3.32 Reputation: 15,602 Days Won: 131 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted April 4, 2023 Shalom crossroman, Welcome to Worthy Christian Forums. Please feel free to browse around and get to know everyone. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask. As soon as you post a few times and after they are approved, it'll tell us that you are "real" person and not a "bot", you'll be free to post throughout our forums and join our chat rooms. Forgive us for this minor inconvenience, however, we've had issues in the past with Spammers as well as those who wish to post obscene photos and messages! Currently, if you just began at Worthy, you are in "Newbie" Status. Simply post a single post, as soon as it's approved, you'll be out of Newbie status and then you'll be able to edit your profile, as well as upload a profile picture. You may be interested in reading how WCF functions, and how the forums are set up, and other neat tricks to the forums. Read our insights into WCF. Let me share a little bit of my vision for the ministry in a parable. Let's say I'm throwing a big party and am inviting the world to the party (the forums) and I want everyone to have a great time, eating (reading through posts being fed), drinking (being encouraged to walk in His Word), and having fellowship with one another. In Israel, we have Shabbat meals -- and whenever you have 2 Jews -- you have 3 opinions -- it's GREAT to be opinionated. I encourage discussions ... but during our Shabbat meals ... we never ever get to the point in disagreements whereby food is being tossed and seriously yelling takes place! And if someone comes into the meal ... and starts throwing food ... and yells at everyone -- what do you suppose the head of the Shabbat meal will do? He'll escort those causing problems out of the house! Why? Because the whole reason for the gathering was to learn from one another ... to have a great time of fellowship! Some people like to constantly throw food and yell ... they won't last on Worthy ... because they missed the point of the party ... it's a prequel to the true party -- the Lamb's Supper! All I'm trying to provide is a place to allow true fellowship ... and discussions in love ... in the hopes it will be a catalyst for true REVIVAL based on REPENTANCE! I hope you have a blessed time at Worthy! Please use the REPORT POST feature (which can be found at the top right of all posts) any posts that you believe should be reviewed! We strive to have ALL members abide by our Terms of Service. While this message is "automated", please know that if you have any questions, feel free to shoot me off a private message which can be found at the top right to the left of your name. Your brother in the Lord with much agape love, George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 308 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,153 Content Per Day: 4.57 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2023 Blessings crossroman Welcome to Worthy, nice to have you join us! Perhaps you can tell us a little about yourself - in this Introduction Forum we come specifically to meet n greet new arrivals I encourage you to hold that thought in your OP for when you gain access to our many Sections and can start your Topic in a Discussion Forum so others may reply ... Just reply here to some " welcomes" to acquire the minimum posts that will enable you to do so,just a couple! With love in Christ, Kwik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossroman Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 Thanks for the welcome! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 308 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,153 Content Per Day: 4.57 Reputation: 27,851 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, crossroman said: Thanks for the welcome! My pleasure,respond again and you should be all set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debp Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 52 Topic Count: 1,043 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 12,476 Content Per Day: 1.81 Reputation: 16,508 Days Won: 92 Joined: 07/19/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 4, 2023 Hi, welcome. Enjoy the fellowship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 250 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,163 Content Per Day: 3.29 Reputation: 5,085 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, crossroman said: In Romans chapter 7 Paul was not speaking as a Christian but as one under the law. Welcome @crossroman Don't be cross if members disagree with you. I refer you to Bible Commentator John Gill's exposition on Romans 7:22 Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:... For I delight in the law (principle) of God,.... This an unregenerate man cannot do; he does not like its commands, they are disagreeable to his corrupt nature; and as it is a threatening, cursing, damning law, it can never be delighted in by him: The moralist, the Pharisee, who obeys it externally, do not love it, nor delight in it; he obeys it not from love to its precepts, but from fear of its threatenings; from a desire of popular esteem, and from low, mercenary, selfish views, in order to gain the applause of men, and favour of God: Only a regenerate man delights in the law of God; which he does, as it is fulfilled by Christ, who has answered all the demands of it: and as it is in the hands of Christ, held forth by him as a rule of holy walk and conversation; and as it is written upon his heart by the Spirit of God, to which he yields a voluntary and cheerful obedience: He serves it with his mind, of a ready mind freely, and without any constraint but that of love; he delights together with the law, as the word here used signifies; the delight is mutual and reciprocal, the law delights in him, and he delights in the law; and they both delight in the selfsame things, and particularly in the perfect obedience which the Son of God has yielded to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossroman Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 This is of course a difficult topic, which has all the usual preconceived arguments laid out against it, so please allow me the latitude to work against the accepted norms of argument if I can be so bold as to say. Please tell me in what verse or verses you believe show that Paul was a Christian? (Other than that already specified, what verse or perhaps verses (name them by number eg 7:1 for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossroman Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 OK so this could be a long process if we continue at this speed, so I will just say what I think and see what happens. My first statement is that you have quoted Rom.7:22 which is one of the many from which opponents draw their material from to counter this view that Paul was not speaking as a Christian. What I was wanting to get to in long winded fashion was that regardless of which verse or verses you nominate where you might say it gives Paul Christian status, you eventually have to arrive at verse 24 where Paul plainly states that he does not know the name of his deliverer, IE he does not know the name of Christ. How then can he be a Christian if he does not know the name, and therefore the person, of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibleWords Posted April 4, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 140 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2023 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/20/1957 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Are you kidding? You can’t possibly be suggesting that Paul the apostle, who wrote 13 New Testament books, and God called to take the Gospel to the Gentiles, was not a believer. Is that what you are saying? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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