Death and heaven

[yomotalking]

Then if our souls do not do anything, then why do we have them?

I have a question, I believe that our souls stay with our bodies at death, But it has come to my attention that a lot of Christians believe that our souls go to heaven to GOD until the last day of judgement and then we are judge and sent to where ever we belong. I am very surprised by this beacause it makes no sense that we could live in heaven without bodies for so long, just to come and retrieve them later on? I do know that in 2kings Elisha asked Elijah to inherit a double portion of his spirit, which is what goes to heaven when we die. I do not believe that this is our soul! What do other christians think?

Hey L.P.

We are created in Gods image, so since God is a Spirit, then we are a spirit. We ARE a spirit, we have a soul, and we inhabit a body. Your body is not created, it is born of parents. Your spirit is created, and it has a soul. Your brain is the computer that holds the soul, because on a physical basis, your brain is just tissue, and your soul is your intellect, and your emotions. The spirits internal organs are the fruits of the Spirit.

*picks jaw up off the floor*

I have read less heresy in the writings of the worst Gnostics then what I just read here.

For one, both exist on the same ontological field while God transcends both metaphysically. Thus while we can read and see that "God is a spirit" the truth is that God is more. For one, God the Son came down in a physical form and even after His ressurection was able to eat (physical) but also transcend walls (spirit). In essence, soul, spirit, and body are all metaphysically the same whereas God is above it all. We are created in the image of God however this does not mean we are merely spirits inhabting a body. The soul relies upon the body and the body relies upon the soul. For one, the body is most definately a created thing, just like the soul. From the dust of the earth God pulled us together and then gave us life. Yes parents go through the process to create the baby, however we know from scripture that we are formed by God in the womb. This takes on the physical connotations, not just spiritual. God forms our physical and spiritual forms, there is no getting around it. To say we are solely spirit and we must transcend our body and this world is to take on a purely Gnostic view. Was Jesus just a spirit or did He have a physical form?

Hey Super Jew.

Just a little loving correction. God does not want us to be condescending, or rude when we don't agree with someone else. If you don't agree with someone, then tell them you don't agree, or keep it to yourself, if you cannot disagree in a proper manner. We will lose our brother, or sister if we call them names, or refer to their teachings as heresy. I am a born again Christian, not an agnostic. I would truly appreciate in the future if you would treat me and others with more God commanded love, and respect than your actions showed here. Thank you and God bless you. Duane

Gnostic describes your belief. If you don't like the "name calling" then change your belief.

You could say this about Christianity.

An' no way am I going to give up Christ cos of naming calling!!!!

[Guest saved*by*grace]

Gnostic describes your belief. If you don't like the "name calling" then change your belief.

All Duane was saying is that when you reply don't be so harsh. It is just a discussion, no need to get so personal. (read Proverbs 14:16-17)

Edited October 18, 2005 by saved*by*grace

[apothanein kerdos]

Gnostic describes your belief. If you don't like the "name calling" then change your belief.

All Duane was saying is that when you reply don't be so harsh. It is just a discussion, no need to get so personal. (read Proverbs 14:16-17)

Tell that to John when he confronted the Gnostics of his day. I make no apologies, when someone takes an ardent Gnostic stance they are not a brother in the Lord and will be treated in a debating manner.

[yomotalking]

Gnostic describes your belief. If you don't like the "name calling" then change your belief.

All Duane was saying is that when you reply don't be so harsh. It is just a discussion, no need to get so personal. (read Proverbs 14:16-17)

Tell that to John when he confronted the Gnostics of his day. I make no apologies, when someone takes an ardent Gnostic stance they are not a brother in the Lord and will be treated in a debating manner.

This is a debating matter?

Gsh, Bonnie, get my specs!

[EricH]

Gnostic describes your belief. If you don't like the "name calling" then change your belief.

All Duane was saying is that when you reply don't be so harsh. It is just a discussion, no need to get so personal. (read Proverbs 14:16-17)

Tell that to John when he confronted the Gnostics of his day. I make no apologies, when someone takes an ardent Gnostic stance they are not a brother in the Lord and will be treated in a debating manner.

SJ,

Rather than copying the perceived style of one of the Apostles as he wrote inspired scripture, why not obey the command of an Apostle as he instructed us on how to deal with those who we think are mistaken in their thinking:

And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

2 Timothy 2:24-26 NASB

Love in Christ

Eric

[apothanein kerdos]

Gnostic describes your belief. If you don't like the "name calling" then change your belief.

All Duane was saying is that when you reply don't be so harsh. It is just a discussion, no need to get so personal. (read Proverbs 14:16-17)

Tell that to John when he confronted the Gnostics of his day. I make no apologies, when someone takes an ardent Gnostic stance they are not a brother in the Lord and will be treated in a debating manner.

SJ,

Rather than copying the perceived style of one of the Apostles as he wrote inspired scripture, why not obey the command of an Apostle as he instructed us on how to deal with those who we think are mistaken in their thinking:

And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

2 Timothy 2:24-26 NASB

Love in Christ

Eric

These are misapplied scriptures and you are essentially saying, "Do as they say, not as they do." That simply does not work. The fact of the matter is, when you run across false prophets (Gnostics were the original ones, along with Judaizers) it doesn't say deal with them in a loving way. It says kick them out, piont them out, do everything you can to get rid of them.

[Guest AWorkInProgress]

Lovingly correct seekers and feed those searching, Super Pharisee, Just because we are in the age of the gentiles, remember, He promised to turn back to the Jews once the gentile numbers were filled!

[apothanein kerdos]

Lovingly correct seekers and feed those searching, Super Pharisee, Just because we are in the age of the gentiles, remember, He promised to turn back to the Jews once the gentile numbers were filled!

How beautiful, an anti-semite

Where does it say we are to lovingly correct false prophets?

[DaughterofKing]

1.Whats a soul?

2. WHen we die do believers go straight to God or do they die and wait to be ressurected on judgement day?

[ruah brit]

ruah brit---

you have equated the body being made of the dust of the earth, with a living soul.

the body existed before God breathed into him.

when God breathed his SPIRIT in Adam---THEN---he became a living soul.

not before. the soul is separate from the body.

I posted the scriptures that say "the soul dies at death". There is no scripture that says God breathed His spirit into Adam. The scriptures say the breath of life which even a dog has. The way of the spirit covenant didn't come until Christ. Here are the scriptures again may be this time you will read them.

The soul of man is made up of the dust of the ground and the breath of life from God.

Ge 2

7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

When a person takes there last breath their souls are dead unless they have the hope of Christ's resurection.

Ps 89

48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?

Ps 78

50 he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence;

Ps 116

8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.

To be dead is darkness. To be alive is light.

Ps 56

13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

Denise