douggg Posted June 15, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 15, 2023 The beast coming out of the sea - as a whole, the kingdom of the beast king. The kingdom is the EU. The mortally wounded but healed head - the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11 The beast who is worshiped and continues 42 months - the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11, formerly king 7 of Revelation 17:10 The dragon - Satan The saints - persons who become Christians during the 42 months The beast out of the earth - the false prophet The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world - Jesus The image of the beast - a statue image of the beast king. It is the abomination of desolation. The image of the beast come to life - the statue image incarnated by Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted June 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,263 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,531 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted June 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, douggg said: The beast coming out of the sea - as a whole, the kingdom of the beast king. The kingdom is the EU. The mortally wounded but healed head - the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11 The beast who is worshiped and continues 42 months - the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11, formerly king 7 of Revelation 17:10 The dragon - Satan The saints - persons who become Christians during the 42 months The beast out of the earth - the false prophet The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world - Jesus The image of the beast - a statue image of the beast king. It is the abomination of desolation. The image of the beast come to life - the statue image incarnated by Satan. Hi douggg, I`ll discuss with you. The beast out of the sea of people of the earth is, I believe the final Gentile Global Government. It is described with the 4 beastly kingdoms in Dan. 7 - Lion (& Eagle) Britain (& America), Bear / Russia, Leopard / EU, Terrifying beast / Islam. The as if mortally wounded leader - of the GG. He is worshipped. Dragon - Satan. Saints - God fearing people. (not Christians who have gone before the trib,) Beast out of earth - false prophet. Lamb - Jesus. Image, A/D. of leader of GG. As if alive - leader of GG. So, some we agree and some we see differently. Any detail you would like to discuss further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted June 15, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: he beast out of the sea of people of the earth is, I believe the final Gentile Global Government. It is described with the 4 beastly kingdoms in Dan. 7 - Lion (& Eagle) Britain (& America), Bear / Russia, Leopard / EU, Terrifying beast / Islam. The sea being the gentile nations, while the earth being a referral to Israel. I don't think there will be a unified singular global government in the future, because the beast king will be attacked at the end of the seven years by the nations to the south, then north, then east (Daniel 11:40-45). Which implies that the beast king will be king of the western nations. i.e the EU with allies of the U.S. and Canada. I think that there will be a dominant government over the governments of the world imposing its will by economic and military strength. Islam will be pretty much a thing of the past once Gog/Magog takes place. And Russia' military will suffer huge losses in the Gog/Magog event that it will take most of the 7 years to recover from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted June 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,263 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,531 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted June 15, 2023 3 hours ago, douggg said: The sea being the gentile nations, while the earth being a referral to Israel. I don't think there will be a unified singular global government in the future, because the beast king will be attacked at the end of the seven years by the nations to the south, then north, then east (Daniel 11:40-45). Which implies that the beast king will be king of the western nations. i.e the EU with allies of the U.S. and Canada. I think that there will be a dominant government over the governments of the world imposing its will by economic and military strength. Islam will be pretty much a thing of the past once Gog/Magog takes place. And Russia' military will suffer huge losses in the Gog/Magog event that it will take most of the 7 years to recover from. God`s word says that the wicked are like the troubled sea. (Ias. 57: 20) There is no reference to Israel being symbolically earth. The `north in Dan. 11: 40 - 45 refers to the Ptolemaic Dynasty from part of Alexander`s great empire. It is just north of Israel - Iraq, Syria and Jordan. These 10 Middle Eastern Islamic nations are not with the Russian Federation - Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Yemen. As to Russia, its army is over 100, 000, but its population is over 120 million. Next generation coming on will arise too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted June 27, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,077 Content Per Day: 3.29 Reputation: 1,469 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/15/2023 at 3:16 AM, douggg said: The beast coming out of the sea - as a whole, the kingdom of the beast king. The kingdom is the EU. The mortally wounded but healed head - the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11 The beast who is worshiped and continues 42 months - the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11, formerly king 7 of Revelation 17:10 The dragon - Satan The saints - persons who become Christians during the 42 months The beast out of the earth - the false prophet The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world - Jesus The image of the beast - a statue image of the beast king. It is the abomination of desolation. The image of the beast come to life - the statue image incarnated by Satan. Here is my view: The Beast from the sea - The "sea" in allegory is the Nations. The Beast will be a Gentile The Dragon - Satan. He was a serpent 6,000 years before, but has grown by eating dust - humans (Num.14:9, 1st Pet.5:8, Rev.12:4) 42 months - the last half of Daniel's 7oth seven The Saints - those Christians who were not mature (ripe) when the harvest came (Matt.13) The Lamb - Jesus. "Slain from the foundation of the world" - Because Jesus is divine, anything He does is outside of time, like; "before Abraham was I am ... " The Book of Life - When God sets up His Kingdom on earth, it will be under the rule of men who have God's life (Jn.3:14-16). The type of rule will be an issue of God's Life - righteous and equitous. The people who are allowed into this Kingdom "ENTER" Life. To ENTER, or INHERIT life is not to be born again. It is a REWARD for works. To HAVE life is different. That is by FAITH. In God's Kingdom will be Christians who HAVE life ruling the Nations who have ENTERED Life. In every mention of the Book of Life, WORKS are indicated. God keeps a record of who QUALIFIES, whether Christian, Jew or Gentile. Those who dwell in heaven - the rapture will have taken place and the Overcomers will be before the Throne in heaven. He that killeth with the sword - The Beast will have total authority. If somebody resists him, he will be killed - even the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 Another Beast from the "earth" - While the Nations are the "sea" in allegory, Israel is the sand of the sea shore" - the Land. The Second Beast is a Jew. He is most probably a mediator to get the first Beast into the Temple, which the Jews would not normally allow. Fire to come down from heaven - this was historically done by a Jew - Elijah. This is a further proof that the second Beast is a Jew The speaking idol - an image of the first Beast that shows lying wonders The Mark of the Beast - an open visible sign of allegiance to the rule of the Beast The Mark will be instantly recognizable - it will one of three things; (i) A Mark, (ii) The Beast's name, and/or (iii) the number 666 The number of his Name - In Bible numerics only one name adds up to 666 in BOTH Hebrew and Greek - Nero Caesar. He was one of seven Caesars who reigned during John's time. He "was" means he is dead. He "is to come" means he will be resurrected. This confirmed in that he comes out of the Abyss where Hades is. He will be the "eighth". "Eight" is the number of resurrection since our Lord was resurrected on "the morrow after the Sabbath". He will be the eighth Caesar for John because John will also be resurrected for the rapture during this time. Nero, of all world leaders, even Nebuchadnezzar, was the greatest persecutor of God's people in history. That he goes directly to the Lake of Fire shows that he has died once and cannot die again (Heb.9:27). He and the Second Beast go to the Lake of Fire alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiros Posted June 28, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2023 (edited) Using isopsephy in Greek we have certain interesting coincidences. Here I use Katharevousa similar to Medieval Greek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharevousa I thus write two phrases. One for "twelfth chapter" as "ΔΩΔΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟΝ" or "dodekaton kephalaion" and one for "thirteenth chapter" as "ΔΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΤΡΙΤΟΝ ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟΝ" or "dekaton triton kephalaion". ΔΩΔΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟΝ = (4+800+4+5+20+1+300+70+50)+(20+5+500+1+30+1+10+70+50) = 1941 ΔΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΤΡΙΤΟΝ ΚΕΦΑΛΑΙΟΝ = (4+5+20+1+300+70+50)+(300+100+10+300+70+50)+(20+5+500+1+30+1+10+70+50) = 1967 1941 is World War II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II Western Europe (1940–1941) Mediterranean (1940–1941) Axis attack on the Soviet Union (1941) War breaks out in the Pacific (1941) 1967 is the Six-Day War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War Therefore what shows up in the 12th and 13th chapters of Revelation relate to the beast, Fascism, Hitler, the creation of Israel and the return of the Jews to Jerusalem. Edited June 28, 2023 by Spiros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
douggg Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,143 Content Per Day: 0.47 Reputation: 220 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/18/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) On 6/27/2023 at 9:45 PM, Spiros said: Therefore what shows up in the 12th and 13th chapters of Revelation relate to the beast, Fascism, Hitler, the creation of Israel and the return of the Jews to Jerusalem. The chapter numbers are man-made for a means of reference to different texts in the bible. The point where one chapter ends and another begins depends on the situation where one topic seems to change to another for a variety of reasons. Say, for example, one vision or dream to the next. So applying isopsephy, the process of adding numbers to get a single number, for the Greek terms for chapter 12 and chapter 13 is as meaningful and useful as astrology. Edited June 29, 2023 by douggg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiros Posted June 29, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 181 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2023 The emergence of the year 1967 and the 6 day war can be seen if one takes the isopsephy value of the name of the prime minister o Hellas, Kyriakos Mitsotakis. His political party New Democracy just formed a new government - a second term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2023_Greek_legislative_election If one computes the isopsephy value of his full name he gets the year he was born, 1968. But his conception seems to coincide with the 6 day war. Kyriakos Mitsotakis Greek: ΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΣ ΜΗΤΣΟΤΑΚΗΣ = (20+400+100+10+1+20+70+200)+(40+8+300+200+70+300+1+20+8+200) = 1968 He was born March 4 1968. Changing only the months 9 times back one gets June 4 1967. The 6 day was took place between 5–10 June 1967. The full term human pregnancy counting from the last menstruation is between 39 and 41 weeks. The time difference between June 5 1967 and March 4 1968 is exactly 39 weeks. His name also adds up to the isopsephy value of the phrase "the name of the beast" as "ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΤΟΥ ΘΗΡΙΟΥ" or "to onoma tou theriou". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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