Crowns, no crowns, comparison table

[douggg]

48 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

As I stated, that is not what it is about, the Scarlet Colored Beast is Apollyon, thus the whole 7 Kings have arisen (Mountain) and 7 have fallen DOES NOT APPLY to the Scarlet Colored Beast who is Apollyon, the 8th king. 

The Scarlet Colored Beast is not one of the 7, he is the 8th. 

I am just trying to IDENTIFY who the Three Beasts spoken of in Rev. 12, 13 and 17 are. NOTICE, you do not have to be a Human to b a Beast (Rev. 12 shows Satan is The Beast. So, the reason the CROWNS are on the 7 Heads is because Satan is ruling over them as the god of this world. So, the Scarlet Colored Beast s another Demon, NOTICE, Red & Scarlet, but different Demons, meanwhile the Human Beast has not tagged color. 

The CROWNS simply IDENTIFIES the Beast being spoken about. 

1.) Satan has 7 CROWNS over all 7 Beast Kingdoms

2.) Anti-Christ has 10 CROWNS over the 10 Kings (E.U.) because they make him their President or "King".

3.) Apollyon has NO CROWNS because he has NO KINGDOMS on this earth. 

 

You have strayed off topic of this particular thread.    But not for you to be upset, I have created a new thread - "Let's discuss Revelation 17".

Copy and paste your post there, please.

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by douggg

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

As I stated, that is not what it is about, the Scarlet Colored Beast is Apollyon, thus the whole 7 Kings have arisen (Mountain) and 7 have fallen DOES NOT APPLY to the Scarlet Colored Beast who is Apollyon, the 8th king. 

The Scarlet Colored Beast is not one of the 7, he is the 8th. 

I am just trying to IDENTIFY who the Three Beasts spoken of in Rev. 12, 13 and 17 are. NOTICE, you do not have to be a Human to b a Beast (Rev. 12 shows Satan is The Beast. So, the reason the CROWNS are on the 7 Heads is because Satan is ruling over them as the god of this world. So, the Scarlet Colored Beast s another Demon, NOTICE, Red & Scarlet, but different Demons, meanwhile the Human Beast has not tagged color. 

The CROWNS simply IDENTIFIES the Beast being spoken about. 

1.) Satan has 7 CROWNS over all 7 Beast Kingdoms

2.) Anti-Christ has 10 CROWNS over the 10 Kings (E.U.) because they make him their President or "King".

3.) Apollyon has NO CROWNS because he has NO KINGDOMS on this earth. 

 

To our readers, note these cross-references:

Rev 13:11-15  Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.  (12)  And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.  (13)  He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.  (14)  And he deceives those who dwell on the earth—by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.  (15)  He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Rev 17:8-14  The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.  (9)  "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.  (10)  These are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.  (11)  The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.  (12)  "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.  (13)  These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.  (14)  These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful." 

Rev 19:17-21  Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, "Come and gather together for the supper of the great God,  (18)  that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great."  (19)  And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.  (20)  Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.  (21)  And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.
 

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

You have strayed off topic of this particular thread. 

Not really. The beast is a composite entity of kings with crowns and kingdoms.

Rev 17:12  "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.

Rev 17:16  And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

[douggg]

22 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Not really. The beast is a composite entity of kings with crowns and kingdoms.

Rev 17:12  "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.

Rev 17:16  And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Please go to the "Let's discuss Revelation 17" thread.    And discuss anything you want to of things in Revelation 17.

The ten horn kings have their crowns in Revelation 13, to then rule with beast in his kingdom.    See the opening post comparison table.

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by douggg

[Marilyn C]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:27 AM, douggg said:

In Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13, the seven heads are seven kings. The ten horns are ten kings.    The crowns/no crowns varies when those three chapter are compared.      

The purpose of this comparison table is to help the readers to see all three chapters crowns/no crowns at one time. 

If you zoom out on your monitor, so all three chapters are shown at the same time, the comparison table is a little more easy to follow.

 

Revelation 17 - timestamp status - first century
seven heads - no crowns (end times completion)
ten horns - no crowns (end times completion)

Revelation 12 - timestamp status - end times, the 7 years before Jesus returns.
seven heads - crowns (seven kings completion)
ten horns - no crowns

Revelation 13 - timestamp status - end times, 42 months before Jesus returns
seven heads - no crowns. one head mortally wounded but healed - the beast king.
ten horns - crowns (to rule with the beast king).

Rev. 12. The dragon/Satan (from heaven) has all Political authority (on earth) (7 crowned heads) & all power (10 horns).

Rev. 13. The Global Gov.(from sea of people) has 7 consecutive leaders (7 heads, 5 have fallen etc) and 10 kings over all. 

Rev. 17. The Global Gov. false religion being carried. 7 consecutive leaders ( 7 heads, 5 have fallen, & one is...in time of the 10 kings giving power to 7th leader) 10 kings, (10 horns about to be crowned when the 10 kings give their authority to the 7th / 8th leader) (Rev. 17: 17)

[douggg]

10 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Rev. 13. The Global Gov.(from sea of people) has 7 consecutive leaders (7 heads, 5 have fallen etc) and 10 kings over all. 

In Revelation 13, the seven heads no longer have crowns, like they did in Revelation 12.   All 7 kings have fallen in Revelation 13.

One of the heads has been mortally wounded (fallen) but healed.   Upon being healed, that king has become the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11.

The ten kings have crowns in Revelation 13, to rule with the beast king,  as its says in Revelation 17:12.

Edited June 18, 2023 by douggg

[Marilyn C]

15 hours ago, douggg said:

In Revelation 13, the seven heads no longer have crowns, like they did in Revelation 12.   All 7 kings have fallen in Revelation 13.

One of the heads has been mortally wounded (fallen) but healed.   Upon being healed, that king has become the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11.

The ten kings have crowns in Revelation 13, to rule with the beast king,  as its says in Revelation 17:12.

The Rev. 12 dragon is Satan, `So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan...` (Rev. 12: 9)

The Rev. 13 beast is not Satan however the `dragon gave him his power, his throne and great authority.` (Rev. 13: 2b)

I agree the as if mortally wounded person becomes the 7th GG leader and possessed by the 8th (Satan).

I also agree that the 10 kings with crowns in Rev. 13 are shown again in Rev. 17: 12.

Rev. 13 shows the complete GG whereas Rev. 17 & 18 shows the development of it before the 10 kings and then after.

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

I agree the as if mortally wounded person becomes the 7th GG leader and possessed by the 8th (Satan).

The mortally wounded but healed head in Revelation 13 is king 7 who has been killed near the middle of the seven years and comes back to life as the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11.

Revelation 11:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

He is not possessed by Satan.   But Satan gives him power, via the miracles done by the false prophet whenever the beast king is present.  Revelation 13:12 

And Satan gives the beast king his (Satan's) seat - which is to be the prince of this world.

Those days are not far into the future.  

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Rev. 13 shows the complete GG whereas Rev. 17 & 18 shows the development of it before the 10 kings and then after.

Well, Revelation 13 shows the kingdom of the beast king, as being the composite beast (as a whole) coming out of the sea.    I wouldn't call it a Global Government, but the dominant or ruling kingdom which exerts its will over the rest of the world, by its military and economic strength.

 

[Marilyn C]

2 minutes ago, douggg said:

The mortally wounded but healed head in Revelation 13 is king 7 who has been killed near the middle of the seven years and comes back to life as the beast king, king 8 of Revelation 17:11.

Revelation 11:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

He is not possessed by Satan.   But Satan gives him power, via the miracles done by the false prophet whenever the beast king is present.  Revelation 13:12 

And Satan gives the beast king his (Satan's) seat - which is to be the prince of this world.

Those days are not far into the future.  

Well, Revelation 13 shows the kingdom of the beast king, as being the composite beast (as a whole) coming out of the sea.    I wouldn't call it a Global Government, but the dominant or ruling kingdom which exerts its will over the rest of the world, by its military and economic strength.

 

We are not too far apart.