NO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS = NO TERRORISM!

[JohnS]

Alright G-m, I can see this is going no where! Let's move to point #2. Can you tell me the biblical definition of anti-christ?

JohnS

[Ovedya]

Oh, I don't think it's going nowhere. I think this is a very profitable conversation.

Antichrist is only mentioned in four verses in 1 John and 2 John respectively. The term "antichrist" is not specifically defined in these verses. Howver, commonly, it is given that the antichrist is one who denies the Father and the Son and Jesus coming in the flesh.

Now, you would say that Islam is antichrist because of these verses in the Bible, yes? I agree! Islam is antichrist. Just as Buddism, Sufi, Ba'hai, New Age, etc. are all likewise antichrist. But remember, we are not discussing the inward content of this false religion, we are talking about religious fanaticism.

[JohnS]

Now, you would say that Islam is antichrist because of these verses in the Bible, yes? I agree! Islam is antichrist. Just as Buddism, Sufi, Ba'hai, New Age, etc. are all likewise antichrist. But remember, we are not discussing the inward content of this false religion, we are talking about religious fanaticism.

Oh....just religious fanaticism in general. I thought the subject here was Islam. But the inward content of the religion has nothing to do with it? Are these people strapping bombs to themselves and flying jumbo jets into buildings just because they are certifiable. Maybe it's the unbearable heat in the desert! It's probably just a coincidence that they were Muslims. Islam couldn't possibly have anything to do with it, why it's a peaceful religion.

It's smilie time! Man I was looking for this guy on my last post!

[Ovedya]

Oh....just religious fanaticism in general. I thought the subject here was Islam. But the inward content of the religion has nothing to do with it? Are these people strapping bombs to themselves and flying jumbo jets into buildings just because they are certifiable. Maybe it's the unbearable heat in the desert! It's probably just a coincidence that they were Muslims. Islam couldn't possibly have anything to do with it, why it's a peaceful religion.

It's smilie time! Man I was looking for this guy on my last post!

Now I think you're picking up on my line of thinking here. Yes, it is religious fanaticism that is to blame. But as I have said before it is stronger in Islam because of the way the Koran is written. That, and the fact that Islam is a false religion.

But religious fanaticism can be found anywhere there is religion. There are Christian extremists just as there are Muslim extremists. It's religon that is to blame for this kind of fanaticism, not necesarilly the core faith.

[Guest shadow2b]

Hmmmm....

Gee, that's pretty hateful talk for "a man of the cloth."

What ever happened to "love the sinner, hate the sin"?

GMAN---????Where is there "hateful talk" in that post?????? Maybe i'm just TOO dense----can't see below the surface---read the implications--{subtle or otherwise } ?????? splain please-------

--------Gary------ totally in the dark on this one Bro----- :upsided:

[Guest shadow2b]

Thank you so much for that post God-man. Yes, who is our neighbor anyway??? We Christians should heed the words of our Lord and take the log out of our own eyes before worrying about the speck in the other guy's eye.

I really get offended at all this hate rhetoric spewing from the mouths of 'confessing' Christians. Is this how we spread the gospel? I guess if you can't convert 'em, kill 'em. That's how it comes off to those in the world who are watching. The War on Terrorism is very convenient for the church, who HATE Muslims.

I don't get,I guess I never will---Why is it,everytime someone standsUP & states {THIS IS WRONG}

or just posts an article, then that person,that article has a LOT OF HATEFUL RHETORIC in it??????

THEN {WE} must get the "BEAM" out of our own eye????ISLAM is comparable to having a speck in

ones eye????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm??? I wonder IF the modern day {official interpretator} of all of

Chrisendom can define WHEN {spewing hate out of the mouth of all christians} occurs & WHEN it

doesn't????? IT looks like it's always "OUR" fault------ :upsided: --I give up---- :suspect: --Gary-----

[Arthur Durnan]

Well, of course, one can fairly easily and quite correctly disagree with "god-man" who thinks that Islam itself is not the real problem. Does he actually think that Islam's founder and chief pontificator, WARRIOR-GENERAL Mohammad of Yathrib was the forerunner of one, Florence Nightingale? Not yet.

Islam was born and bred in intense violence as any even perfunctory investigation of the Qu'ran and the Hadith will assert. Islamic enlargement was ALWAYS at the edge of the very sword from which it receives its long-acknowledged title, "The religion of the sword." Ask Charles Martel, for one prime example, if the Islamic hordes came in peace in 732 A.D. at Tours where they were soundly defeated in the battle for Europe yet!

Islam knows peace only to the extent it isn't in control of society. Where Islam rules, suppression, violence and murder reign supreme. Check out Northern Nigeria, Sudan, Iran, Somalia, Mindanao, East Timor, Libya and on into the Muslim night. It's not a pretty picture.

When the followers of Mohammad commence the opening of Judaistic, Christian & Hindu buildings of worship in Muslim-dominated countries and permit prosyletizing, drop us a line. And note: we're talking MUSLIM here, not Muslim terrorist.

http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com

[Ovedya]

Well, of course, one can fairly easily and quite correctly disagree with "god-man" who thinks that Islam itself is not the real problem. Does he actually think that Islam's founder and chief pontificator, WARRIOR-GENERAL Mohammad of Yathrib was the forerunner of one, Florence Nightingale? Not yet.

Hi....I'm here....helloooooo? You can ask me a direct question "Arthur." No need to speak of me as if I'm not here.

I maintain the position that it is not Islam itself that is to blame directly for terrorism, but religious fanaticism and extemist hate mongers. You find these kind of people in all religions worldwide, not just Islam. Less than 10% of Islam is composed of these sorts, by the way...

When the followers of Mohammad commence the opening of Judaistic, Christian & Hindu buildings of worship in Muslim-dominated countries and permit prosyletizing, drop us a line. And note: we're talking MUSLIM here, not Muslim terrorist.

Ever been to Lebanon?

[IslandRose]

Ever been to Indonesia?

We were warned by the people......muslim people..... to watch our backs, because violence against Christians was considered permissible by the imams. And this was in the 70's. not in these terror happy years.

My folks spent about 10 years working there.

IR :il:

[Ovedya]

I heard on the radio this morning that Americans were warned to leave Indonesia. Was this for politcal reason, or was it a warning against Christians only? Seems to me that one need not be an American to be a Christian. Or perhaps the East considers all Americans to be Christian.