dad2 Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,508 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2023 Revelation 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found We already know that the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth has different realities and a different nature than this present time. People live about 1000 years again as before the flood, spirits dwell on earth with men, plants grow fast, and etc. One interesting question is whether that change in nature and laws starts before the 1000 years and in the last seven years sometime? The verse above indicates it is already changed when the continents and islands all suddenly move. If that were to happen in this presnet day, I hear immense heat would result, that would probably not allow human life on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2023 No the physics are still the same. What goes up comes back down Revelation 16:21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,123 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 hour ago, dad2 said: The verse above indicates it is already changed when the continents and islands all suddenly move. If that were to happen in this presnet day, I hear immense heat would result, that would probably not allow human life on earth. Such catastrophic earth changes have happened in the past, which wiped out most but not all of humanity. Which is just what is prophesied for the end times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,508 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, WilliamL said: Such catastrophic earth changes have happened in the past, which wiped out most but not all of humanity. Which is just what is prophesied for the end times. Right, but who says that during the rapid separation of continents nature was as it is today either? The plate movement in Revelation is very sudden. Nothing in recorded history was like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, dad2 said: Right, but who says that during the rapid separation of continents nature was as it is today either? The plate movement in Revelation is very sudden. Nothing in recorded history was like that. It may not be talking about a plate movement. It could just mean they can't be found or are unseen.That doesn't mean the plates moved. Word: feugw Pronounce: fyoo'-go Strongs Number: G5343 Orig: apparently a primary verb; to run away (literally or figuratively); by implication, to shun; by analogy, to vanish:--escape, flee (away). Use: Verb Heb Strong: H1272 H5074 H5080 H5127 H5264 H5307 H6207 H8300 1) to flee away, seek safety by flight 2) metaph. to flee (to shun or avoid by flight) something abhorrent, esp. vices 3) to be saved by flight, to escape safely out of danger 4) poetically, to flee away, vanish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,123 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,555 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 minute ago, dad2 said: Right, but who says that during the rapid separation of continents nature was as it is today either? The plate movement in Revelation is very sudden. Nothing in recorded history was like that. Actually, human history records 4 such events. One was the Flood of Noah, the most catastrophic of all. A second was at the time of the Exodus, called by the Greeks the Deucalion Flood, when continents rose and sank dramatically. (Most of the Aegean and Baltic sea areas were forested before that flood, and it is when Atlantis sank.) Two other such catastrophes took place before the time of Noah, when earth was also depopulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,508 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 1 minute ago, WilliamL said: Actually, human history records 4 such events. One was the Flood of Noah, the most catastrophic of all. A second was at the time of the Exodus, called by the Greeks the Deucalion Flood, when continents rose and sank dramatically. Two questions. One is what support do you have that there was some world catastrophe during the exodus?? The other question, is where are the four events? You cited one with support, the flood, as well as one that was unsupported totally. Furthermore no one can support the claim that all continental plates rapidly moved in the flood year! That is a guess. Quote (Most of the Aegean and Baltic sea areas were forested before that flood, and it is when Atlantis sank.) Two other such catastrophes took place before the time of Noah, when earth was also depopulated. As for Atlantis, again total conjecture. The supposed other catastrophes before the flood are also made up, or might as well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,508 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: It may not be talking about a plate movement. It could just mean they can't be found or are unseen.That doesn't mean the plates moved. False. It states they moved from where they were. 9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Word: feugw Pronounce: fyoo'-go Strongs Number: G5343 Orig: apparently a primary verb; to run away (literally or figuratively); by implication, to shun; by analogy, to vanish:--escape, flee (away). Use: Verb Heb Strong: H1272 H5074 H5080 H5127 H5264 H5307 H6207 H8300 1) to flee away, seek safety by flight 2) metaph. to flee (to shun or avoid by flight) something abhorrent, esp. vices 3) to be saved by flight, to escape safely out of danger 4) poetically, to flee away, vanish Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. hayer's to cause to go, i.e. to move, set in motion to be moved, move: of that motion which is evident in life to move from a place, to remove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 27, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, dad2 said: False. It states they moved from where they were. Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. hayer's to cause to go, i.e. to move, set in motion to be moved, move: of that motion which is evident in life to move from a place, to remove False I'm sorry,the abomination that causes desolation causes the earth to quake,and causes the heavens to depart as a scroll being rolled together, but it does not cause islands to run away like scared little puppies. The earthquake isnt a change in physics. Edited July 27, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted July 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,508 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 184 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 27, 2023 Just now, Shilohsfoal said: I'm sorry,the abomination that causes desolation causes the earth to quake,and causes the heavens to depart as a scroll being rolled together, but it does not cause islands to run away like scared little puppies. The plates dont shift. The abomination is something set up in the area in Jerusalem where the holy place is. In no possible way does it make every island flee away etc etc. (let alone causes the heavens to collapse!) In fact AFTER the abomination is placed we have years left before the end, with a sky, islands etc! I must deduce so far, by your words here that you are not debating seriously or honestly, or else your knowledge of history and Scripture is next to nil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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