BeyondET Posted August 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,981 Content Per Day: 1.25 Reputation: 825 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Uriah said: I don't know very much about Hansen, but Velikovsky has some shortcomings. Is 45:12- I have made the earth, forming man on it: by my hands the heavens have been stretched out, and all the stars put in their ordered places. I'm pretty sure the planets were also called "stars." The old wondering stars, 😎 Gen 1:16 God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well. Heliocentric Edited August 1, 2023 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted August 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2023 3 hours ago, dad2 said: I hope so, Jesus told them to. Not only that but to flee instantly, not even taking clothes from their house etc. They flee to a place He prepared for them for a time. Sorry you think that means the wicked. I have three words for you on that one. Get over it. Why do you believe those who's names are written in the lambs book of life would need to flee when Christ comes and are gathered to Christ? Again when God's wrath is poured out on the inhabitants of Judea.You believe God's wrath is being poured out on the righteous and not the wicked.You believe it's the righteous that are being punished. Jesus said "let them which be in Judea flee to the mountains".He tells his disciples to lift up their heads. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. It's not the righteous that are fleeing on the day of Gods wrath. Jesus says right there in verse 28 that the saints are redeemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted August 1, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,638 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 195 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Why do you believe those who's names are written in the lambs book of life would need to flee when Christ comes and are gathered to Christ? When the AntiChrist reveals the abomination in the midst of the seven years in the end, there are years left till He returns, and probably years gone by since the Rapture. That has what to do with physics either being the same or different then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted August 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2023 2 hours ago, dad2 said: When the AntiChrist reveals the abomination in the midst of the seven years in the end, there are years left till He returns, and probably years gone by since the Rapture. That has what to do with physics either being the same or different then? Not according to Jesus. According to Jesus ,those who are in Judea flee ,and they see the son of man come in the cloud.He doesn't say they will be fleeing for years and then they see him come in the clouds. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Now what this has to do with physics is Jesus will be coming in the clouds when they flee. Same as Zechariah 14 that says he will stand on the Mt of olives on that day.Those in Judea will be fleeing while Jesus is defying the laws of physics again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted August 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,062 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 608 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2023 On 7/30/2023 at 10:28 AM, Shilohsfoal said: ????? WHAT YEAR? What year are you claiming Luke 21:10-11,Mathew 24:7 and Mark 13:8 took place ????????????? Because all three of these accounts is from the same discussion Jesus had with the disciples referd to as the Oliver discourse Luke 21 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. Mathew 24 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mark 13:8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains. Now that you have claimed these events have been fulfilled ,you shouldn't have any problem showing proof of your claim. Wars, famines, earthquakes, etc, have always happened and are happening now. I don't understand your confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted August 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Wars, famines, earthquakes, etc, have always happened and are happening now. I don't understand your confusion. You said the Luke passage I quoted was already happening. Jesus is speaking of the war that takes place at his coming.Its often referred to as Armageddon.The earthquakes,famines,pestilences ,fearful sights,and great signs in the heavens are from that war.As for the abomination of desolation which the armed forces of the north place in Jerusalem.The armed forces use weapons to destroy and cause desolation.The kind of weapons that causes the earth to quake,and fearful sights in the heavens.They don't build statues or paint portraits to destroy cities. If you wanted to desolate a city,are you going to paint a portrait or build a statue to put in that city or are you going to place a nuke in it? 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. Edited August 2, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted August 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: According to Jesus ,those who are in Judea flee ,and they see the son of man come in the cloud.He doesn't say they will be fleeing for years and then they see him come in the clouds. What you have stated is Not in Scripture, just a weak interpretation. But Scripture does say in Rev 12:13... - When the dragon saw that he have been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. She was placed and protected in the desert away from the dragon for 3 1/2 years. The same as those who flee from Judea in Matt 24, protected for 3 1/2 years. Part of the refining process of Zech 13:8,9. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted August 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,150 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,092 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: If you wanted to desolate a city,are you going to paint a portrait or build a statue to put in that city or are you going to nuke it? Do as the Romans did. Put the city under siege, limit travel in and out. Ware down your enemy, conquer them, then send them into captivity over their empire as they tore down the city and the Temple. Approx 68 to 70 AD In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted August 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: What you have stated is Not in Scripture, just a weak interpretation. But Scripture does say in Rev 12:13... - When the dragon saw that he have been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. She was placed and protected in the desert away from the dragon for 3 1/2 years. The same as those who flee from Judea in Matt 24, protected for 3 1/2 years. Part of the refining process of Zech 13:8,9. In Christ Montana Marv Well ,I will just quote what you say is not in scripture for you.You can be the one to explain to Jesus that he didn't say these things. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted August 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.44 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: Do as the Romans did. Put the city under siege, limit travel in and out. Ware down your enemy, conquer them, then send them into captivity over their empire as they tore down the city and the Temple. Approx 68 to 70 AD In Christ Montana Marv You think the king of the north will destroy and annihilate many the time of the end by doing what the Romans did 2000 years ago? Daniel 11:44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. when you have 5000 nuclear warheads and your going up against ten of millions of Muslims throughout the middle east,why bother putting troops on the ground? You argument for the war of Armageddon is not logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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