Tony17 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/22/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 I'm not catholic but I stumbled upon many articles regarding whether praying to Mary and other saints is an act of idolatry. Some say yes and some say no. Matthew 4:10 says "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." Doesn't this mean praying to saints is idolatry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.49 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) Catholics, look at it no differently than you or I asking someone to pray for us. There is even a forum on here for that. Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Edited August 27, 2023 by Anne2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.84 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 If in doubt, don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony17 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/22/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Anne2 said: Catholics, look at it no differently than you or I asking someone to pray for us. There is even a forum on here for that. Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Yes. We should pray for one and another. The questions is who are you asking in your prayer to forgive/protect / (etc) the person you are praying for. The saints or God. It is said in the Bible that we should not worship the creation (saints) but the creator(God). Edited August 27, 2023 by Tony17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.49 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 Matter of conscience? Are there Saints in heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony17 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/22/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 Yes saints are in heaven. What does it have to do with our subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.49 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tony17 said: Yes. We should pray for one and another. The questions is who are you asking in your prayer to forgive/protect / (etc) the person you are praying for. The saints or God. It is said in the Bible that we should not worship the creation (saints) but the creator(God). They believe they are asking the saints in heaven to pray for them. Just like you and I do with those whom we also ask for prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony17 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 10 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/22/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Anne2 said: They believe they are asking the saints in heaven to pray for them. Just like you and I do with those whom we also ask for prayer. Saints praying in heaven? Ok I think I am done with this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyB Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,628 Content Per Day: 1.16 Reputation: 304 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/23/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tony17 said: I'm not catholic but I stumbled upon many articles regarding whether praying to Mary and other saints is an act of idolatry. Some say yes and some say no. Matthew 4:10 says "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." Doesn't this mean praying to saints is idolatry? Praying to a "saint" is idolatry, as is praying to statues. The Biblical definition of a "saint" is a sanctified person, i.e., every Christian. Asking a "saint" to intercede for you is asking her/him to pray on behalf of yourself or for others. The questio0n is: why not pray to God directly? Although there is intercession described in the Old Testament I do not know of anywhere in the New Testament where anyone but Jesus or the Holy Spirit intercedes for someone. And they are part of the Divine Trinity. Jesus told His disciples to pray directly to God. “This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name..." Matthew 6:9. Edited August 27, 2023 by JimmyB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted August 27, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.49 Reputation: 621 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tony17 said: Saints praying in heaven? Ok I think I am done with this topic. Yeah, making supplication to God for our behalf. If you do not know what they believe, how can you address it properly. So, best to be done with the topic then I suppose. Moses did it for Pharaoh, Daniel did it for Israel, Elijah etc. I do not necessarily agree with it either, but I certainly don't know why to call it idolatry either. Edited August 27, 2023 by Anne2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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