Scott Free Posted September 14, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, Starise said: And how does evolution explain the presence of an egg tooth in a baby spider? DNA is the tool of a higher intelligence, yes I agree. Just think the process is more complicated than plopping things down ready made or unattended chance mutations. It is a dynamic process that is clearly being tweaked and played with along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,120 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,643 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 On 9/14/2023 at 9:47 AM, Scott Free said: DNA is the tool of a higher intelligence, yes I agree. Just think the process is more complicated than plopping things down ready made or unattended chance mutations. It is a dynamic process that is clearly being tweaked and played with along the way. If the young spider doesn't have an egg tooth, it can't get out of the pouch. It dies. How do you see that as a "process"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 15, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Starise said: If the young spider doesn't have an egg tooth, it can't get out of the pouch. It dies. How do you see that as a "process"? Forcing me into a box that I should stand on ether side of the polarity you have constructed is frustrating to me. Everyone has a partial understanding. It is silly for anyone to declare they alone hold the absolute truth on these matters. Is it okay for me to say there is both unfathomable mystery and verified data? Edited September 15, 2023 by Scott Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,120 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,643 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 No intention to force anything. I'm simply trying to see how the egg tooth was a process. Even a theory might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted September 15, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.63 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Starise said: I'm simply trying to see how the egg tooth was a process. Even a theory might help. Once that is explained, if it is, go on to the Bombardier Beetle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 15, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,120 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,643 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 Just now, FJK said: Once that is explained, if it is, go on to the Bombardier Beetle. Yes that one is an explosive subject 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 16, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, Starise said: If the young spider doesn't have an egg tooth, it can't get out of the pouch. It dies. How do you see that as a "process"? One of the most beautiful biological mysteries is about what DNA doesn't do. DNA is just blueprints for protein formation. What it doesn't do is manage morphospace, the shape of organs their placement and angle of orientation. The explanation is called emergent intelligence of cells. This is a label of observation that fails to address the cause. Another example of this kind of label without real explanation is magnetism. Edited September 16, 2023 by Scott Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 16, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,120 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,643 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Scott Free said: One of the most beautiful biological mysteries is about what DNA doesn't do. DNA is just blueprints for protein formation. What it doesn't do is manage morphospace, the shape of organs their placement and angle of orientation. The explanation is called emergent intelligence of cells. This is a label of observation that fails to address the cause. Another example of this kind of label without real explanation is magnetism. I haven’t checked to see if all spiders have this egg tooth. I suspect it’s a part of the makeup of most spiders. If true, this would mean it was a thing in the making of these creatures. Spiders themselves are the envy of any nanotechnology or robotics engineer. They give many people the creeps because they are such a different type of creation. Super fast, agile beyond belief, multiple eyes with optics like no other, usually all in a small package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 16, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Starise said: If true, this would mean it was a thing in the making of these creatures. Spiders are fascinating. An egg-tooth seems common in most egg laying animals. To an evolutionist that would suggest a common origin. It is beyond ridiculous for them to suggest this is all random chance. How can someone look upon the world and not be blown away by how impossible it all is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 16, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 16, 2023 29 minutes ago, Starise said: I suspect it’s a part of the makeup of most spiders. Did you know that the chances everything working together for us to be here is the same odds of finding a winning lottery ticket on the ground everyday for a thousand years, or like shaking a disassemble pocket watch in a bag until it fell together as a functioning timepiece. God made all this, but the details are unspecified. Assuming we could comprehend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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