BeyondET Posted September 20, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,874 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Genesis 1. 24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Isn't it amazing how easily it is to take the Bible out of context? All you have to do is to take an excerpt and post it as if it was not part of a larger passage. In 30 years, I've never had an evolution believer quote a passage of Scripture that supports what they believe. Simply include a verse or two before or after what they post and you see the truth. To believe in the Bible and in evolution is to have a solid understanding of neither. Sometimes it doesn't take a whole chapter. Isn't it amazing how easily it is to bold a statement and not include the other verse statements as bold too. You presented an excerpt with your boldness. Those two verses is enough. God said and God made. Edited September 20, 2023 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondET Posted September 20, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,874 Content Per Day: 1.22 Reputation: 816 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/1968 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Your right, God also said he created every creature according to its kind. There was no evolution because God already created every type of animal we have today during creation week. Passed along through stem cells. Like how multiple generations of Monarch butterflies know where to go between continents. Actual memories can be inherited through stem cells The library of the kinds. Slice up a flat worm and you'll have multiple flat worms. The gears of life are very complex Edited September 20, 2023 by BeyondET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted September 20, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 775 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted September 20, 2023 9 hours ago, Scott Free said: Of course God created man under special circumstances. I choose to push the Gospel as the narrative of faith. We should not add to it. I will marginalize the scientific validity of the creation stories just to hinder Creationist fanaticism from inserting itself into the message of salvation. The stories are a child's introduction to God's glory. Please produce passages from the Scripture to support your contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted September 20, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 775 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted September 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Scott Free said: All the Bible is inspired by God. It is written to cater to the understanding of those it concerns. The context changes from one generation to the next as Israel of God grows. Abraham's knowledge is different from Moses as it is from Isaiah to the Apostles. Because earlier scripture can be more vague, God's inspiration is still in it. There is nothing vague about the six day creation. It is very specific. There is nothing vague about the creation of man or of the fall of man. There is nothing vague about a global flood. What I find vague is the moral authority by which people can teach contrary to the Scriptures in the name of God. Where does it come from? Where is the explanation from Christ that Adam and Eve really had almost human parents, and that death had nothing whatever to do with Adam's sin. You can't compromise truth and have it remain truth. When you teach contrary to the Scriptures, you teach falsely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: There is nothing vague about the six day creation. It is very specific. There is nothing vague about the creation of man or of the fall of man. There is nothing vague about a global flood. The six days of creation are not vague at all as long as you don't study astrophysics, genetics, geology, paleontology, archeology or anthropology. Having faith in something is good. I choose to promote faith in the Gospel than demand allegiance to ancient erudition as a condition for salvation. Edited September 21, 2023 by Scott Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted September 21, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 775 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted September 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Scott Free said: The six days of creation are not vague at all as long as you don't study astrophysics, genetics, geology, paleontology, archeology or anthropology. Having faith in something is good. I choose to promote faith in the Gospel than demand allegiance to ancient erudition as a condition for salvation. Sooo.. a belief in the Scriptures is limited to the ignorant. Got it. Funny how only your side uses this "condition for salvation" argument. There is one condition for salvation; the acceptance of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Science is the study of the physical world around you. It's useful knowledge, but it won't save your soul. How much better to study the supernatural than the natural; to know the Creator as well as the creation? Science can't account for the origination of anything. All "scientific" theories of origination require a suspension or violation of natural law. Astrophysics can tell you many things about how the universe is expanding, but when it comes to the origin of the universe no explanation conforms to natural law. Genetics can't account for the origin of life, Paleontology only guesses what animals looked like based on artist drawings and modern interpretations on bone structure. The Bible is the world's best reference for archeology as it finds lost civilizations only the bible references. Anthropology can't explain the origin of man. No, the study of the creation does not supersede the word of the Creator. Heaven and earth will pass away but the truth of God is eternal. Learning man-proposed theories of our origination is not education but indoctrination. Education relies upon truth. The truth is in the word of God. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Sooo.. a belief in the Scriptures is limited to the ignorant. Yes, our beliefs are limited. It is silly to think God is providing us with the complete picture. It is also questionable if someone proclaims they alone have all the answers. There is a reason there are 45,000 denominations. Scripture is not that crystal clear. The problem is not God, it is limits of human capacity to understand and to preserve faith for our immature spirituality. Edited September 21, 2023 by Scott Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Jah Posted September 21, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 290 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 127 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2023 agree that "a day" can mean many things. Can be 24hrs or passage of time, even generations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted September 21, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2023 14 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Please produce passages from the Scripture to support your contention. "They do not know everything, but what they know they truly know because they have met and accepted Jesus personally as Lord and Savior. Unlike the others, the man humbly begins with his limitations in knowledge." John 9:25-29 "Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready." 1 Corinthians 3:1-2 "Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture!" I Corinthians 13:9 "And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know." 1 Corinthians 8:2 "Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in this age, he should become foolish, so that he may become wise." 1 Corinthians 3:18 “Can you discover the depths of God? Can you discover the limits of the Almighty? Job 11:7 "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is too high, I cannot attain to it." Psalm 139:6 "Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!" Romans 11:33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted September 21, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,120 Content Per Day: 9.67 Reputation: 13,643 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 It's really pretty simple here. The 2nd part of this thread was intended to discuss animals in relation to 'evolution'. We have multiple examples of animals that 110% are impossible to have evolved over a long period of time. I never tied a person's salvation onto exactly what they believe so far as the science is concerned, although I would hope crazy ideas will be dispelled and pointed out for all to see. It surely is never pompous ( as has been implied) to discuss the animals of creation. For anyone who doesn't think we can figure any of it out so far as discrediting the theory of evolution as it pertains to the unity of all creatures biologically and the origin of complex creatures from single celles ameobe, don't attempt to think. Simply tell yourself none of us can figure any of it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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