Buzzard3 Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 10/8/2023 at 4:08 AM, Vine Abider said: Many see the kingdom as a distinct thousand year period of government by Christ on the earth where ALL enemies are dealt with, and then we go into eternity. This view (which I share) holds that our participation in the kingdom government is largely based upon our works and is a reward for how faithful we have been, and how well we have built (gold, silver, precious stone or wood, hay stubble as per 1 Cor 3:12-15) in this life. Therefore, seeing things this way makes this kingdom period different than eternity. But I understand that those who hold an amillennialist view don't see a distinct period where Christ will rule on the earth with his saints. Why complicate things with such a convoluted and frankly bizarre interpretation? Paul provides no hint whatsoever that that's what he meant by "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11. The interpretation you subscribe to is almost certainly the result of some underlying false doctrine. It forces you to reject the simple and obvious interpretation of "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11, which is eternal life in Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,269 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,891 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 51 minutes ago, Buzzard3 said: Why complicate things with such a convoluted and frankly bizarre interpretation? Paul provides no hint whatsoever that that's what he meant by "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11. The interpretation you subscribe to is almost certainly the result of some underlying false doctrine. It forces you to reject the simple and obvious interpretation of "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11, which is eternal life in Heaven. Worried?........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 206 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,485 Content Per Day: 6.15 Reputation: 2,335 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Buzzard3 said: Why complicate things with such a convoluted and frankly bizarre interpretation? Paul provides no hint whatsoever that that's what he meant by "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11. The interpretation you subscribe to is almost certainly the result of some underlying false doctrine. It forces you to reject the simple and obvious interpretation of "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11, which is eternal life in Heaven. How many times have I observed someone replying that their thinking is the "simple & obvious" or "common sense" one, meaning everyone else's interpretation is obviously way out to lunch? A whole bunch of times! (aka - probably not the best argumentative reply) Well one (or perhaps both) of us, has it wrong . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted October 9, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted October 9, 2023 38 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: How many times have I observed someone replying that their thinking is the "simple & obvious" or "common sense" one, meaning everyone else's interpretation is obviously way out to lunch? Why do think "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 doesn't refer to eternal life in Heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted October 10, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,595 Content Per Day: 12.15 Reputation: 3,363 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Online Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Vine Abider said: How many times have I observed someone replying that their thinking is the "simple & obvious" or "common sense" one, meaning everyone else's interpretation is obviously way out to lunch? A whole bunch of times! (aka - probably not the best argumentative reply) Well one (or perhaps both) of us, has it wrong . . . Well....as long as what is obvious and common sense actually represents the plain sense of Scripture............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted October 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 206 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,485 Content Per Day: 6.15 Reputation: 2,335 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Buzzard3 said: Why do think "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 doesn't refer to eternal life in Heaven? According to what I see, the kingdom refers to a specific thousand year time frame that fulfills many prophecies about His government reigning on the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted October 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,231 Content Per Day: 3.48 Reputation: 8,517 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted October 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: According to what I see, the kingdom refers to a specific thousand year time frame that fulfills many prophecies about His government reigning on the earth. ...through Israel. King David (Jer. 30: 9) and Levites the Priests, (Isa. 66: 21) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted October 10, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: According to what I see, the kingdom refers to a specific thousand year time frame that fulfills many prophecies about His government reigning on the earth. Yes, I know ... you've already told me that. You didn't answer my question. Why would "the kingdom of God" in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 not refer to eternal life in Heaven? Why doesn't my interpretation fit those two verses? Edited October 10, 2023 by Buzzard3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted October 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,231 Content Per Day: 3.48 Reputation: 8,517 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 3:10 PM, Susan Miller said: Today one of my Christian friends told me that no matter what he does, Lord Jesus will forgive his sin, since he has accepted Lord Jesus as savior, and finally he shall enter into God's kingdom. But I remember that our Lord Jesus said: “Not everyone that said to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of My Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21).We can see from this that entering the kingdom of heaven is not a simple matter, not as long as we believe in the Lord we can enter the kingdom of heaven, we must strive to pursue. What's your opinion, my friends？ Hi Susan, The question then is `What part of God`s great kingdom do you believe God has promised the Body of Christ? You see there are the Nations on the New Earth. (Rev. 21: 24) Then in the Universal region will be the Old Testament saints who were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16) And finally the Body of Christ is promised to rule with Christ on His own throne `far above all, ` Eph. 1: 20 - 23) in the highest heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard3 Posted October 10, 2023 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 271 Content Per Day: 0.38 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/25/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Marilyn C said: Hi Susan, The question then is `What part of God`s great kingdom do you believe God has promised the Body of Christ? You see there are the Nations on the New Earth. (Rev. 21: 24) Then in the Universal region will be the Old Testament saints who were promised the city. (Heb. 11: 16) And finally the Body of Christ is promised to rule with Christ on His own throne `far above all, ` Eph. 1: 20 - 23) in the highest heaven. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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