inferior to yours ?

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The funny thing is you said Nebys son was after him.Not Cyrus.

If thats the case then the inferior kingdom would be nebys son.Not Persia.

Dan 2:39  But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours;

Quotation:

And after thee - This must mean “subsequently” to the reign, but it does not mean that the kingdom here referred to would “immediately” succeed his own reign, for that would not be true. The Medo-Persian empire did not come into the ascendency until many years after the death of Nebuchadnezzar. This occurred during the reign of Belshazzar, a grandson of Nebuchadnezzar, between whose reign and that of his grandfather there had intervened the reigns of Evil-merodach and Neriglissar; besides, as the remainder of the prophecy relating to the image refers to “kingdoms,” and not to individual monarchs, it is clear that this also relates not primarily to Nebuchadnezzar as an individual, but as the head of a kingdom. The meaning is, that a kingdom would succeed that over which he reigned, so far inferior that it might be represented by silver as compared with gold.
Shall arise another kingdom - Chaldee, “shall stand up (תקוּם teqûm) another kingdom.” This is language which would denote something different from a succession in the same dynasty, for that would be a mere “continuance of the same kingdom.” The reference is evidently to a change of empire; and the language implies that there would be some revolution or conquest by which the existing kingdom would pass away, and another would succeed. [Albert Barnes' Notes On The Bible]

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

No crown in the dream.  Only a head of Gold, then a torso of Silver, then thighs of Bronze and then legs of Iron.

And Alexander the Great conquered the Medes and Persians so he would have become the head of gold.  And Rome conquered Greece, thus allowing them to become the head of gold.  And all this is nonsense. 

King Nebby was that head of Gold as Scripture says.  Followed by Persia, Greece and then Rome.  The Statue of king Nebbys dream.  No Crown

In Christ

Montana Marv

But you said,Persian didn't follow Neby.

You said his son did.

Remember?

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

True, Read Dan 5; Belshazzar (king Nebbys son) saw the hand writing of the Wall.  The Babylonian Empire fell on his shift, not king Nebbys.  If one would read the all of Daniel, one would know this sequence.  Darius (Cyrus) was the conqueror of the Babylonian Empire followed by Alexander the Great (Greece) and then Rome.

In Christ

Montana Marv

And you said Nebys is the head of gold  and was followed by his son making his son the inferior kingdom .

You said it's not about the kingdom.You said it's about the king.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Dan 2:39  But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours;

Quotation:

And after thee - This must mean “subsequently” to the reign, but it does not mean that the kingdom here referred to would “immediately” succeed his own reign, for that would not be true. The Medo-Persian empire did not come into the ascendency until many years after the death of Nebuchadnezzar. This occurred during the reign of Belshazzar, a grandson of Nebuchadnezzar, between whose reign and that of his grandfather there had intervened the reigns of Evil-merodach and Neriglissar; besides, as the remainder of the prophecy relating to the image refers to “kingdoms,” and not to individual monarchs, it is clear that this also relates not primarily to Nebuchadnezzar as an individual, but as the head of a kingdom. The meaning is, that a kingdom would succeed that over which he reigned, so far inferior that it might be represented by silver as compared with gold.
Shall arise another kingdom - Chaldee, “shall stand up (תקוּם teqûm) another kingdom.” This is language which would denote something different from a succession in the same dynasty, for that would be a mere “continuance of the same kingdom.” The reference is evidently to a change of empire; and the language implies that there would be some revolution or conquest by which the existing kingdom would pass away, and another would succeed. [Albert Barnes' Notes On The Bible]

 

See,what I understood is the head of gold would have been the king of Babylon which would include belshazar.Butvit wasarvs opinion that this prophecy is not about kingdoms as the verse in the op says.Marv says it's about kings .So I was pointing out to Marv that it would then be belshazar to hat would follow Neby and not Cyrus whom Marv believes is inferior to Neby.

I'm not the one who says this is about individuals.Marv said it.

What I've been saying all along is the great empire of Persian was never inferior to the Babylonian empire.It was far greater .The Babylonian empire was only a small part of the Persian empire.

The vision must be about another kingdom.One that is actually inferior.perhaps one that lay within the boundaries of  promised land as Babylon does.Not one outside of the promised land like Persia,Greece or Rome.

Because like I said before ,the ten horns that fight against the lamb are Muslim kings that lay within the promised land.Not Europe.

Edited November 21, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

On 11/19/2023 at 7:38 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

So,how is the Persian empire inferior to the Babylonian empire?

 

Because of who the Dream was intended for, why would you not tell a great king he was the beta king ? God was trying to win Daniel favor with Nebuchadnezzar. 

Could you imagine him dreaming he was the lowest of lows? He probably never calls in all the star gazers and asks them what this dream meant. Thus Daniel is never brought forth either. 

By the way, you are looking at it all wrong anyway, each inferior metal is HARDER or STRONGER by nature, so that means Babylon was more pure but not as harsh of a kingdom, Persia was a little more harsh, Greece more so, then lastly Rome was the harshest of them all, killing at will. 

 

[Michael37]

9 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The vision must be about another kingdom.

We are told it is Medo-Persia in chapter 5 verse 28. It was God that deposed Babylon in their favour, having numbered Babylon and finished it in verse 26

Dan 5:25-28  "And this is the inscription that was written: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.  (26)  This is the interpretation of each word. MENE: God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it;  (27)  TEKEL: You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting;  (28)  PERES: Your kingdom has been divided, and given to the Medes and Persians."

I like the "weighed in the balances" part as it ties in with the assaying of metals.

It was God that ranked the kingdoms, with king and kingdom often synonymous in linguistics, as are sports teams with their countries.

The belief that silver is Medo-Persia and it is inferior to Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon is Scriptural, and is not going anywhere, unlike all of the kingdoms represented by the "metal man". 

Dan 2:44  And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

Interesting tense, due to the fact that while the sovereignty of the kingdoms change, and therefore their labels, they each are still present in conceptual abstraction, each having been "left to other people", and still present behind the scenes until finally God destroys all earthy, human kingdoms.