Know Jah Posted January 22 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22 No sin in Jesus, If Jesus had sin he couldn't redeem mankind. Psalm 49:7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linkin Posted January 22 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 76 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22 No one is born with a sin nature. We are all sinners yes. But we all have had that choice. Adam and Eve were created sinless, which is obvious since God pronounced the creation very good, and yet they chose to sin. Sin entered the world when Lucifer tempted Eve. That is also when Lucifer fell. If we are born sinners, then that means God's creation is defective. If God's creation is defective then how can we be judged as sinners? It would be God's fault. There would be no justice in that. If someone created a robot to kill and then said to that robot, sorry, now I have to destroy you because you have killed someone, who could call that fair? Not me. If someone thinks we are all born sinners, does that mean we are all child rapists, murderers, thieves etcetera? We have a choice in the sin we participate in. Jesus was born and learned to choose the good from the evil. He was just like us in every way. Isaiah 7:15 [NIV] He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, I have omitted most scriptures, because they mean little to people who have no understanding of their Bibles anyway, so I have not waisted my time going through collecting them and showing them. Just like I won't bother to reply to contrary opinions, I don't see the point in arguing. We all have Bibles, but amazingly opinions/interpretations vary by massive extremes. Eccles. 7:29 [NIV] This only have I found: God created mankind upright, but they have gone in search of many schemes.” God certainly didn't create man sinful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted January 22 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.94 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22 26 minutes ago, Linkin said: If we are born sinners, then that means God's creation is defective. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted January 22 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.62 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22 Jesus is God and as such was born without sin. Therefore no final nature. However scripture does say that he was tempted in every way we are, so he clearly experienced temptation yet never sinned. I would argue of course that it was not at any time during his life possible for Jesus to sin, as God cannot sin, so how does temptation made any impact on him is unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueFollowerOfChrist Posted January 22 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,039 Content Per Day: 1.62 Reputation: 589 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/26/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Linkin said: No one is born with a sin nature. We are all sinners yes. But we all have had that choice. Adam and Eve were created sinless, which is obvious since God pronounced the creation very good, and yet they chose to sin. Sin entered the world when Lucifer tempted Eve. That is also when Lucifer fell. If we are born sinners, then that means God's creation is defective. If God's creation is defective then how can we be judged as sinners? It would be God's fault. There would be no justice in that. If someone created a robot to kill and then said to that robot, sorry, now I have to destroy you because you have killed someone, who could call that fair? Not me. If someone thinks we are all born sinners, does that mean we are all child rapists, murderers, thieves etcetera? We have a choice in the sin we participate in. Jesus was born and learned to choose the good from the evil. He was just like us in every way. Isaiah 7:15 [NIV] He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, I have omitted most scriptures, because they mean little to people who have no understanding of their Bibles anyway, so I have not waisted my time going through collecting them and showing them. Just like I won't bother to reply to contrary opinions, I don't see the point in arguing. We all have Bibles, but amazingly opinions/interpretations vary by massive extremes. Eccles. 7:29 [NIV] This only have I found: God created mankind upright, but they have gone in search of many schemes.” God certainly didn't create man sinful. I would respectfully disagree with you. Yes we do all have a sinful nature that we were born with. Obviously we were not born perfect or else the option would exist for us to save ourselves. We come out of the womb sinners not because of our choices but because of Adam's choices. I think most people would admit that they had certain sinful inclinations from the earliest times they could remember, be it violence, theft, anger, or anything else. So yes we are all born with inclinations toward things like rape, murder, theft, etc. Yes we have a choice in what sins we commit in this life, however none of us had a choice to become sinners just as we did not have a choice as to what race or sex we would be born as. You're right that God did not create sinners. Adam and Eve did that for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted January 22 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,943 Content Per Day: 3.27 Reputation: 4,867 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted January 22 The Bible has a lot to say about the sinful nature of humans. According to the New Living Translation of Romans 8:6-11, “letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God” The call to repent applies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Jah Posted January 23 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 289 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/28/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23 I must disagree, Romans 5:12 states we are all born in sin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farouk Posted January 29 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,398 Content Per Day: 12.16 Reputation: 3,269 Days Won: 31 Joined: 11/18/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted January 29 On 1/22/2024 at 2:17 PM, TrueFollowerOfChrist said: Jesus is God and as such was born without sin. "He did no sin". "In Him is no sin". "He knew no sin". These are all Scriptural statements which can be followed up and can make for a good Bible study. And the wonder is that He "was made sin" for us, that those who love Him and trust Him might be made the righteousness of God in Him. How glorious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter and Deborah Posted January 29 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 14 Topic Count: 2,240 Topics Per Day: 0.50 Content Count: 4,365 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,030 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/13/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1947 Share Posted January 29 On 12/2/2023 at 3:23 AM, Stewardofthemystery said: I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday and this topic came up. I am already convinced by the Word and Spirit of God that the answer to this question is No. But I am interested to hear what others think about this question. Was Jesus born with a “sin nature,” like the rest of mankind? Hello Stewardofthemystery, You are correct, Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 1:18 Love, Walter And Debbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted January 29 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,184 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,460 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted January 29 On 1/22/2024 at 11:46 AM, Linkin said: No one is born with a sin nature. We are all sinners yes. But we all have had that choice. Adam and Eve were created sinless, which is obvious since God pronounced the creation very good, and yet they chose to sin. Sin entered the world when Lucifer tempted Eve. That is also when Lucifer fell. If we are born sinners, then that means God's creation is defective. If God's creation is defective then how can we be judged as sinners? It would be God's fault. There would be no justice in that. If someone created a robot to kill and then said to that robot, sorry, now I have to destroy you because you have killed someone, who could call that fair? Not me. If someone thinks we are all born sinners, does that mean we are all child rapists, murderers, thieves etcetera? We have a choice in the sin we participate in. Jesus was born and learned to choose the good from the evil. He was just like us in every way. Isaiah 7:15 [NIV] He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, I have omitted most scriptures, because they mean little to people who have no understanding of their Bibles anyway, so I have not waisted my time going through collecting them and showing them. Just like I won't bother to reply to contrary opinions, I don't see the point in arguing. We all have Bibles, but amazingly opinions/interpretations vary by massive extremes. Eccles. 7:29 [NIV] This only have I found: God created mankind upright, but they have gone in search of many schemes.” God certainly didn't create man sinful. We are born spiritual dead... separated from God Spiritually... thus we will sin when accountability comes (by our own choice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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