Stewardofthemystery Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 969 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/02/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday and this topic came up. I am already convinced by the Word and Spirit of God that the answer to this question is No. But I am interested to hear what others think about this question. Was Jesus born with a “sin nature,” like the rest of mankind? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,189 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,469 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Hebrews 4:15 (KJV) [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewardofthemystery Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 969 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/02/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 35 minutes ago, enoob57 said: Hebrews 4:15 (KJV) [15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Good verse. But just because Jesus was “tempted,”it does not mean Jesus had a “sin nature”. Notice the last part of that verse “yet without sin” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.92 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 The sinful nature of Adam is passed from father to son, not by the mother. This is why Jesus' Father was God who is sinless and not man who is sinful, God does not have the sinful nature of man to pass down to his child. This is my understanding. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewardofthemystery Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 969 Content Per Day: 2.93 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/02/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, FJK said: The sinful nature of Adam is passed from father to son, not by the mother. This is why Jesus' Father was God who is sinless and not man who is sinful, God does not have the sinful nature of man to pass down to his child. This is my understanding. Good point. Jesus was conceived by “the Holy Spirit.” Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for “that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost” It is important to understand this verse here…. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. The word “flesh” in the above verse also notes this in Bible usage… the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God Because Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, He already had “the Divine nature of God,”and not the sin nature of Adam. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, FJK said: The sinful nature of Adam is passed from father to son, not by the mother. This is why Jesus' Father was God who is sinless and not man who is sinful, God does not have the sinful nature of man to pass down to his child. This is my understanding. FJK, I hear this all the time and I'm not sure that I agree with it. When I read the Bible, it says that sin came through Adam because Eve was deceived or tricked. Adam was not - he just deliberately defied God's commandment not to eat of that particular tree. Also, Adam, according to the Bible, was the only person in the world NOT to be deceived. Jesus says in the book of Revelation that the devil deceives the whole world - ergo, women and men alike. [Rev. 12:9] So today, men and women - fathers and mothers, are deceived like Eve. And because of that deception, we all - men and women alike, deliberately disobey like Adam. Deception leads to deliberate disobedience. Adam alone was not deceived first. Eve and the rest of humanity are. Sin came through Adam - so says the Bible. Why? Because he alone - with no deception - took it upon himself to defy God. Sin comes through Adam - not our fathers. If so, sin would be genetic and materialistic. Jesus was sinless as a man on this earth because he is God [and God's Son] and has been for eternity. God did not cease being God when he came to earth. Jesus was sinless because his nature was already sinless before he came to earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,094 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 613 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted December 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said: I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday and this topic came up. I am already convinced by the Word and Spirit of God that the answer to this question is No. But I am interested to hear what others think about this question. Was Jesus born with a “sin nature,” like the rest of mankind? No. Satan had to tempt Him from the outside, just like when Adam hadn't sinned yet and he had in Him nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,857 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 58 minutes ago, Renskedejonge said: No. Satan had to tempt Him from the outside, just like when Adam hadn't sinned yet and he had in Him nothing. I think it was Eve that temped him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 2, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,129 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,857 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2023 Question: If a female is cloned (and that is possible these days) would her baby not have the sin nature or carry the guilt of the original sin??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AFlameOfFire Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, other one said: I think it was Eve that temped him. I think I agree with this because he hearkened unto the voice of his wife. The same thing can be shown in Job where Satan wanted Job to curse God (so he delivered a temptation into his flesh) so he would provoke him to do that, and his wife is right there egging Job on to "curse God and die" as if going through the women to snare the men in both pictures. Job didn't hearken unto his wife as Adam did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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