Who is the little horn of Daniel ?

[Michael37]

47 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Ok. I definitely find pagan Rome as the 4th beast kingdom- can not be any other. 
 

Ok, we are past the first hurdle.

The second point is to determine if you find pagan Rome to also be the “indescribable” beast kingdom of chapter 7. 

There are no hurdles, just diligence.

The fourth beast in Daniel 7 is described as indescribable because it was unlike any other animal that Daniel had seen before. It was dreadful and terrifying and had large iron teeth that crushed and devoured its victims ¹. The beast was also extremely strong and had ten horns ²¹. The horns symbolized the power and fearsomeness of the beast ². The fourth beast is believed to represent the Roman Empire, which emerged as the dominant force in the world and ultimately led to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ ³.

I hope this helps! [BingChat]

 

[Charlie744]

23 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

There are no hurdles, just diligence.

The fourth beast in Daniel 7 is described as indescribable because it was unlike any other animal that Daniel had seen before. It was dreadful and terrifying and had large iron teeth that crushed and devoured its victims ¹. The beast was also extremely strong and had ten horns ²¹. The horns symbolized the power and fearsomeness of the beast ². The fourth beast is believed to represent the Roman Empire, which emerged as the dominant force in the world and ultimately led to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ ³.

I hope this helps! [BingChat]

 

We agree! So now we know that pagan Rome is the same in chapters 2 and 7.

Now, do you find the 10 toes are the same power as the 10 horns?

If so, do you believe that the 10 toes (powers) are found WITHIN pagan Rome in chapter 2, while they are now found OUTSIDE the indescribable beast of chapter 7 (they came out from the 4th beast of pagan Rome)?

 

[Michael37]

8 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

We agree! So now we know that pagan Rome is the same in chapters 2 and 7.

Now, do you find the 10 toes are the same power as the 10 horns?

If so, do you believe that the 10 toes (powers) are found WITHIN pagan Rome in chapter 2, while they are now found OUTSIDE the indescribable beast of chapter 7 (they came out from the 4th beast of pagan Rome)?

 

Happy to rinse and repeat for you, @Charlie744

The Western Roman Empire was divided into multiple parts by the 4th century AD, but the number of parts varied over time ¹. The empire was divided into two parts in AD 395, with the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) and the Western Roman Empire each having its own emperor ¹. The Western Roman Empire was further divided into smaller parts in the 5th century AD, with various Germanic tribes carving out their own kingdoms ¹.

There is a theory that the ten horns of the fourth beast in Daniel 7 represent ten kings or kingdoms that would arise from the Roman Empire ². However, this theory is not universally accepted, and there are different interpretations of the ten horns ².

I hope this helps! [BingChat]

I agree with the above statement.

If you can reconcile metaphorical toes of iron and clay with metaphorical horns in prophecy, @Charlie744, kudos to you. I have observed quite often the number ten symbolises "quantum fulfillment", meaning the necessary amount required is supplied. 

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Happy to rinse and repeat for you, @Charlie744

The Western Roman Empire was divided into multiple parts by the 4th century AD, but the number of parts varied over time ¹. The empire was divided into two parts in AD 395, with the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) and the Western Roman Empire each having its own emperor ¹. The Western Roman Empire was further divided into smaller parts in the 5th century AD, with various Germanic tribes carving out their own kingdoms ¹.

There is a theory that the ten horns of the fourth beast in Daniel 7 represent ten kings or kingdoms that would arise from the Roman Empire ². However, this theory is not universally accepted, and there are different interpretations of the ten horns ².

I hope this helps! [BingChat]

I agree with the above statement.

If you can reconcile metaphorical toes of iron and clay with metaphorical horns in prophecy, @Charlie744, kudos to you. I have observed quite often the number ten symbolises "quantum fulfillment", meaning the necessary amount required is supplied. 

Wow! What was that? If you do not mind, I would ask you to respond to the earlier question….

all of that copy/paste thing from bing is simply noise (not saying your comments are noise).

thanks. 

 

[Charlie744]

4 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

We agree! So now we know that pagan Rome is the same in chapters 2 and 7.

Now, do you find the 10 toes are the same power as the 10 horns?

If so, do you believe that the 10 toes (powers) are found WITHIN pagan Rome in chapter 2, while they are now found OUTSIDE the indescribable beast of chapter 7 (they came out from the 4th beast of pagan Rome)?

 

@R. Hartono just wanted to ask if you wanted to also comment on this point?

[Shilohsfoal]

If Rome is the forth kingdom upon earth,then why do the saints mentioned below inherit the promised land located in the middle east,and not Europe located in the north?

 

¹⁹ Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

²⁰ And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

²¹ I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

²² Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

²³ Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

 

²⁴ And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

²⁵ And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

²⁶ But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

²⁷ And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

 

Here they are in the everlasting kingdom which no one can overthrow.

 

Revelation 20

 

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

 

Since when is the beloved city,Rome?