FJK Posted February 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.90 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted February 19 18 minutes ago, Retrobyter said: A VERY REAL and VERY LITERAL city called the "New Jerusalem" which will land upon a VERY REAL new earth, an earth made from the purged current earth. So that's where we go when we die and are resurrected? What about between now and then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 20 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 20 (edited) 12 hours ago, Retrobyter said: Shalom, Your closest friendnt. You're not wrong from this standpoint; however, that was just His DECISION to go ahead and make it happen in the Creation. But, one should also keep in mind, if possible, other verses of Scripture before making one's conclusions, especially if one is in a position to teach it to others! Luke 3:38 (KJV) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Now, granted, the words "the son" here supplied four times by the translator were not in the Greek, but the implication is the same: Adam was FROM God as Seth was FROM Adam. So, in a sense, Adam WAS God's son. So, Lukas was NOT wrong, nor was the translator. So, YHWH God also already decided that "Jesus had to die first" before the foundation of the world! It was already a "done-deal" in His decision! So, yes, God also "predestinated us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ." But, just as Yeeshuwa` the Messiah actually had to be born and die to fulfill God's decision that "Jesus had to die first," so we individually have to actually come humbly to God for His work in our lives before we can become God's children. That actually makes His decision fulfilled. So, I believe we're in agreement here. It's just important to remember which parts are "hypothetical," no matter HOW DETERMINED it was, and which parts are "actual" because the DEED WAS DONE. God's "hypothetical" is better than our reality, but He STILL had to "go through the motions" before it became HIS reality from HIS perspective. Otherwise, He could have just said, "THERE," and <poof!> He had "sons" instantly! Oh, and btw, He doesn't SHARE His timing with ANYONE, except as much as He did through prophecy. That's none of OUR business! OUR responsibility is to accept Him. Through out the scriptures God said to the Jews "I have created the world and have created man. These words were spoken by the appointed Lamb of God to be. When God created Adam and he looked at him by that time he Knew that by the Miracle of God he will be born in Bethlehem and he will also walk on earth just like Adam as the Son of Man, the Son of God. To be the first one the Patriarch of the New people of God the New Nation of God the people who are Sanctity and Justified by the Blood of the Slain Lamb of God Jesus Christ. The Jews understood that the Son of God will be born to them, that he will be one of them. He will born and grow and live amongs them just like one of them. Or we may say that he forknew that before he created Adam. The one who created Adam was the predestined Lamb of God to be who was towards the Heavenly Father. At the ascension the Heavenly Father Glorified Jesus Christ with the Glory he had before the foundation of the world. Jesus is telling us what was his Glory before the foundation of the world as the Word in the book of John he was next to the Heavenly Father. Because when the Heavenly Father raised Jesus from the dead and he took him to Heaven he sat him on his right on his Throne. And he made him Lord of all. He gave him everything he had and all authority in Heaven and on Earth and in all things under the Earth. He gave him the Kingdom of God. In Esaiah 9:6-7 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. Edited February 20 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted February 22 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,594 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,444 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Online Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted February 22 On 2/19/2024 at 8:17 PM, Your closest friendnt said: Through out the scriptures God said to the Jews "I have created the world and have created man. These words were spoken by the appointed Lamb of God to be. Shalom, Your closest friendnt. One should use the same word that the Scriptures use: He is THE WORD. While His destiny was to BECOME the "Lamb of God," He was not called that at that time because it really meant nothing until the Law came and the sacrifices of the yearling lambs (new rams) were required. He is not "God the Son," either. That is a fictitious title given to Him by theologians. His true title, as both given in the prophecy of the Davidic Covenant, and in the announcement of His birth by GaVri'eel ("Gabriel") to Miryam ("Mary"), is the "Son of God." He is also God's Anointed One or His Mashiyach, today transliterated as the "Messiah" and translated as the "Christ." This title means that He is God's Anointed One - God's CHOICE - for Israel's King. We call Him "Messiah" or more often, the "Christ," because He never took up the role of Israel's King, yet! On 2/19/2024 at 8:17 PM, Your closest friendnt said: When God created Adam and he looked at him by that time he Knew that by the Miracle of God he will be born in Bethlehem and he will also walk on earth just like Adam as the Son of Man, the Son of God. To be the first one the Patriarch of the New people of God the New Nation of God the people who are Sanctity and Justified by the Blood of the Slain Lamb of God Jesus Christ. At NO time do the Scriptures refer to Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") as "the Patriarch of the New people of God." This is a DANGEROUS phrase! It can easily lead to the idea of Replacement Theology. Let's just nip this in the bud before it can blossom into that error. The "People of God" has not changed; it's merely become BIGGER! The children of Israel are God's people- a LITERAL name, btw. Israel was a PERSON so named by God through the "angel of God" who wrestled with Ya`aqoV ("Jacob") through the night! The Hebrew word "Sar," which means a "PRINCE," is part of the name "ISRa'eel." It means "he is a Prince with GOD!" The "yod" prefix, which is transliterated into either an "I," a "Y," or a "J" (which used to be pronounced as a "Y") depending on the language through which it came to English, simply means "he (is) ...". Avraham's wife's name was changed to "SARAH," the feminine form of "Sar," meaning a "PRINCESS!" And, to each generation, from Avraham to YItschaq to Ya`aqoV to Yhudah, the blessing to each is a prophecy for that person's future children, his "progeny." From that point on, the children of Israel, and particularly the children of Yhudah or "Judah" - the "Jews" - had this role in human history. That has not changed, even though they as a people have been TEMPORARILY blinded to the fact that their promised Messiah has already been here once, and is prophesied to come again! Remember: The children of Israel, or more specifically, the children of Yhudah or "Judah" - the "Jews" - are NOT the "Christ-killers," as they have been called by some down through history. WE ALL are guilty of killing Christ or the Messiah by being the SINNERS for whom He died! The Jews, down through the last 2,000 years or so have suffered this ignominy - this SHAME - because of the recorded statement, "His blood be on us, and on our children" (Matthew 27:25) to this day, mostly by those who call themselves "Christians!" But, we ALL had a role in the death of the Messiah of God! The Jews condemned Him; Pilate sentenced Him; the Romans crucified Him, and we ALL are sinners who contributed to the REASON for the need of His death! Also, we must remember that Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") said, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34). So, did His Father, YHWH God, forgive them or not? Yes, He did what His Son requested, despite their statement, "His blood be on us, and on our children!" So, let's just get that straight right off the bat! Christ did NOT call us His children; He called us HIS FATHER'S children, the children of GOD! (Matthew 5:9; Luke 20:36; Romans 8:16, 21; Galatians 3:26; I John 3:10; 5:2) And, to show that the scattered children of Israel were included, one will also read in ... John 11:45-54 (KJV) 45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did (the latest being the resurrection of Lazarus), believed on him. 46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done. 47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, "What do we? (What are we going to do?) for this man doeth many miracles. 48 If we let him thus alone, all [men] will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation!" 49 And one of them, [named] Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, "Ye know nothing at all, 50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that ONE MAN SHOULD DIE FOR THE PEOPLE, and that the whole nation perish not." 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52 And not for that nation only, but that also HE SHOULD GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE THE CHILDREN OF GOD THAT WERE SCATTERED ABROAD. (Here, this is a reference to all of the children of Israel that were scattered into other nations, many of whom would be coming to Jerusalem for the High Holy Days. It MAY also include the Gentiles who would believe, but that wouldn't have been Yochanan's first thought.) 53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death. 54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples. On 2/19/2024 at 8:17 PM, Your closest friendnt said: The Jews understood that the Son of God will be born to them, that he will be one of them. He will be born and grow and live among them just like one of them. Or we may say that he forknew that before he created Adam. The one who created Adam was the predestined Lamb of God to be who was towards the Heavenly Father. I can agree with all this. On 2/19/2024 at 8:17 PM, Your closest friendnt said: At the ascension, the Heavenly Father Glorified Jesus Christ with the Glory he had before the foundation of the world. Jesus is telling us what was his Glory before the foundation of the world as the Word in the book of John he was next to the Heavenly Father. Because when the Heavenly Father raised Jesus from the dead and he took him to Heaven he sat him on his right on his Throne. And he made him Lord of all. He gave him everything he had and all authority in Heaven and on Earth and in all things under the Earth. He gave him the Kingdom of God. Here, there are a few things wrongly said. First, Yeeshuwa` was NOT "glorified with the glory that he had before the foundation of the world" when He ascended. If He had been, the disciples wouldn't have lost sight of Him when He went behind the cloud. All they'd have to do is wait until they saw the light brighter than the noonday sun come back out of the cloud. God's "glory" is LITERALLY LIGHT! It's the SAME light that was on the face of Moses when He was with God on Mount Sinai. "God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all." It's the SAME light that the three disciples saw in the Transfiguration! Yochanan ("John") was one of the three, which is why it left such an impression on his writing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 22 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22 @Retrobyter I am studying your reply. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted February 26 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 26 (edited) On 2/21/2024 at 10:40 PM, Retrobyter said: Shalom, Your closest friendnt. At NO time do the Scriptures refer to Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") as "the Patriarch of the New people of God." This is a DANGEROUS phrase! It can easily lead to the idea of Replacement Theology. Let's just nip this in the bud before it can blossom into that error. The "People of God" has not changed; it's merely become BIGGER! The children of Israel are God's people- a LITERAL name, btw. Israel was a PERSON so named by God through the "angel of God" who wrestled with Ya`aqoV ("Jacob") through the night! In Esaiah 53: we are blessed to be foretold about the travails of the promished Messiah to come. We are told that he died without having any children. And then we are told that he was raised from the dead and had many children. And then that he continued to have many children for ever more and that by believing in him after his death on the Cross we received of his Spirit born from his Spirit born from God. From before the foundation of the world the Heavenly Father had proposed to himself to have children that are sanctified and justified by the blood of Jesus Christ the promised Lamb of God, through the promised Lamb of God. Who is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ had to die, this is why he said "For this proposed have I come to this world. AMEN. Edited February 26 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithfull-prophet4040 Posted March 7 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 179 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 55 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/17/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 7 A simple answer yes… If you believe in God then Heaven exists. Not only is it in the Bible, but if Gods real which I can assure you he is, then heaven has too be real too. Plus why else would literally 75% of all religions talk about life after death even though them religions are false due to there other beliefs they have my point is , yes heaven exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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