Who me Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 Paul and the other apostles were tasked with preaching the gospel, not reforming the world. Chattel slavery was an economic fact of life in the Roman empire. As has been made clear the bible p.aced limitations on how chattel slaves could be treated and on how indentured slaves could be treated. There was no social services in the ancient world, if ones farm or business failed the cho5 was stark. Starve or become an indentured servant. That Christianity would change the Roman empire and the world is a result of the commands to love people practically. So yes the bible does not outrightly condemn slavery. But then no other world view either Co demns slavery or seeks to place moral/legal limits upon slavery. Challenge any one who attacks slavery or any apparent I justice in the bible, as to where they get there morality from. Last comment Paul in 1 Timoth 1:10 makes it clear that slavery is wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 19 9 hours ago, Who me said: Paul and the other apostles were tasked with preaching the gospel, not reforming the world. Chattel slavery was an economic fact of life in the Roman empire. As has been made clear the bible p.aced limitations on how chattel slaves could be treated and on how indentured slaves could be treated. There was no social services in the ancient world, if ones farm or business failed the cho5 was stark. Starve or become an indentured servant. That Christianity would change the Roman empire and the world is a result of the commands to love people practically. So yes the bible does not outrightly condemn slavery. But then no other world view either Co demns slavery or seeks to place moral/legal limits upon slavery. Challenge any one who attacks slavery or any apparent I justice in the bible, as to where they get there morality from. Last comment Paul in 1 Timoth 1:10 makes it clear that slavery is wrong. So Paul says God is wrong on slavery??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,095 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 613 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted March 19 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:29-31 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/mrk.12.29-31.NKJV How is it love to use someone as a slave? Then you love yourself and your own ease at the expense of someone else. If you love these people you go serve them, not order them to serve you. Always amazes me too when someone thinks it's normal to lazy around and let their partner work so hard that they get a heart attack. How? Do you hate em or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20 (edited) ”And the second command is like the first: ‘Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.’“ Matthew 22:39 ERV If we ourselves are okay with being slaves in our hearts then slavery is okay. If we ourselves do not want to be a slave then it is not okay to enslave another. God preferred a man to have one wife but should the man take on more God also gave rules for this. I think it’s rare to find people who truly love their neighbors. People don’t look at others as themselves but an outside person who is separate from themselves. God told the Israelites they would be punished like no others had. He said he’d make a good example out of them. ”“The Lord will let your enemies defeat you. You will go to fight against your enemies one way, but you will run away from them seven different ways. The bad things that happen to you will make all the people on earth afraid. “You will be engaged to a woman, but another man will have sexual relations with her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not gather anything from it. “Other people will be allowed to take your sons and your daughters. Day after day you will look for your children. You will look for them until your eyes become weak and blind—but you will not find them. And God will not help you. “A nation that you don’t know will take all your crops and everything you worked for. People will treat you badly and abuse you. The things you see will make you go crazy. “The Lord will send you and your king away to a nation you don’t know. You and your ancestors have never seen that nation. There you will serve false gods made of wood and stone. In the countries where the Lord will send you, the people will be shocked at the terrible things that happen to you. They will laugh at you and say bad things about you.“ Deuteronomy 28:25, 30, 32-34, 36-37 This punishment looks familiar to me. Edited March 20 by Hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopefully Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,323 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 1,465 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/07/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20 ”We know that the law is good if someone uses it right. We also know that the law is not made for those who do what is right. It is made for those who are against the law and refuse to follow it. The law is for sinners who are against God and all that is pleasing to him. It is for those who have no interest in spiritual things and for those who kill their fathers or mothers or anyone else. It is for those who commit sexual sins, homosexuals, those who sell slaves, those who tell lies, those who don’t tell the truth under oath, and those who are against the true teaching of God.“ 1 Timothy 1:8-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, RdJ said: Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:29-31 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/mrk.12.29-31.NKJV How is it love to use someone as a slave? Then you love yourself and your own ease at the expense of someone else. If you love these people you go serve them, not order them to serve you. Always amazes me too when someone thinks it's normal to lazy around and let their partner work so hard that they get a heart attack. How? Do you hate em or something? In your world view you think slavery and love can not coexist, but that is not how God viewed it. Read the following: For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land. [And] if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: [of that] wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day. And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee; Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust [it] through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise. It shall not seem hard unto thee, when thou sendest him away free from thee; for he hath been worth a double hired servant [to thee], in serving thee six years: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all that thou doest. [Deu 15:11-18 KJV] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RdJ Posted March 20 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,095 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 613 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/25/1970 Share Posted March 20 4 hours ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: In your world view you think slavery and love can not coexist, but that is not how God viewed it. Read the following: For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land. [And] if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: [of that] wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day. And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee; Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust [it] through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise. It shall not seem hard unto thee, when thou sendest him away free from thee; for he hath been worth a double hired servant [to thee], in serving thee six years: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in all that thou doest. [Deu 15:11-18 KJV] Yes but I wouldn't nowadays call that a slave. The other O.T. texts don't sound so great or for instance David who took a bunch as wives, that's not for after Jesus came. Sounds more like it was permitted then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted March 22 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22 On 3/19/2024 at 5:57 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said: So Paul says God is wrong on slavery??? Where do you get that idea from? Do you understand the different forms of slavery found in the bible? Do you know what God has said about it and also what Paul and the apostles said about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 22 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 22 5 hours ago, Who me said: Where do you get that idea from? Do you understand the different forms of slavery found in the bible? Do you know what God has said about it and also what Paul and the apostles said about it? So, why don't you explain the different forms slavery listed in the bible that God permits, so we can all be clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted March 30 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30 On 3/22/2024 at 2:46 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said: So, why don't you explain the different forms slavery listed in the bible that God permits, so we can all be clear? If someone wants to start asking questions about slavery in the bible, they need 5o do their research before posting questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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