FJK Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.72 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said: It was God's will and in his plan for that to happen because the hour had not yet come for God to give them what they were asking him, which God had proposed to happen with the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. This even took place after the flood. But from the time with Noah and there after God did not appear to people and proposed to himself to quide them through his prophets and giving them rules and instructions so the people will know that they have pleased Him and not to live with the fear of some other destruction from God towards them because in the flood the good and the bad were punished, no distinction was made between the good and the bad. And the people were not spared because of the good ones but the good were punished together with the bad. What I'm talking about, the confusion of the language at Shinar where the Tower of Babel was attempted, was significantly after the flood took place. The people of Noah's days and before spoke the same language and were of the same race (color). Until then, as far as I can tell, all were human except the Nephilim and decedents who were not fully (human as Noah was) and were not creations of God as he created them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 19 10 minutes ago, backontrack said: To be perfect in the presence of God is impossible without the blood of my Saviour Jesus covering all my sins and short comings. Thank God for his Son! It was never said in the Gospel that everyone is Saved because Jesus Christ died for all people of the world which includes those who lived and die before the Cross. It says it died for all the people of the world. With that statement God gave the right to all people of the world, the right to be put in the valley of decision. And that cannot happen unless they have heard the good news of the Gospel first and they remain in that valley of decision till the time when they will die. This is for the living but for those who died before they will remain in their valley of decision till the time God has appointed for them. Because everyone will be judge according to their decision while in that valley. To believe or not to believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 19 (edited) 13 minutes ago, FJK said: What I'm talking about, the confusion of the language at Shinar where the Tower of Babel was attempted, was significantly after the flood took place. The people of Noah's days and before spoke the same language and were of the same race (color). Until then, as far as I can tell, all were human except the Nephilim and decedents who were not fully (human as Noah was) and were not creations of God as he created them to be. I am trying to paved a common ground to the event at hand in our discussion that took place after the flood. Yes you bring up for discussion a lot of things that the fact remains that we are in our discussion about the people after the flood and more specifically those who were involved in that project. One thing that it has significant relevance is what you mentioned about Noah that he was a clean seed because he never worship the Idols, that he was not poluted with the Idols worship. To stay away from the other controversies. And by checking his genealogy his ancestors to Adam they were clean because they were not poluted with Idols worship. And that takes us to Abraham who was not polluted with Idols worship and his genealogy is trace to Noah and his ancestors from Noah to him were not poluted with Idols worship. Abraham a clean seed and a clean man in that way, loud and clear. Not poluted with Idols, him and his ancestors to Noah and from Noah to Adam. Edited March 19 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 27 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: I am trying to paved a common ground to the event at hand in our discussion that took place after the flood. Yes you bring up for discussion a lot of things that the fact remains that we are in our discussion about the people after the flood and more specifically those who were involved in that project. One thing that it has significant relevance is what you mentioned about Noah that he was a clean seed because he never worship the Idols, that he was not poluted with the Idols worship. To stay away from the other controversies. And by checking his genealogy his ancestors to Adam they were clean because they were not poluted with Idols worship. And that takes us to Abraham who was not polluted with Idols worship and his genealogy is trace to Noah and his ancestors from Noah to him were not poluted with Idols worship. Abraham a clean seed and a clean man in that way, loud and clear. Not poluted with Idols, him and his ancestors to Noah and from Noah to Adam. Terah Abrahams father did worship idols. Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said to all the people, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelled on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. There are many Jewish historic books and ancient manuscripts that tells how Terah Abraham's father was an Idol maker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 19 @FJK The people of that time wanted something. They wanted God to be with them in their City in their place where they were (just like in the model of the Temple in Jerusalem) before I said in the model of Jesus Christ, not but in the model of the Temple in Jerusalem. (In the model of Jesus, Christ is in us) they wanted God to be with them in the model of the Jerusalem Temple. In their City where they live and they can come to him from around the country knowing where to found him. They wanted to build a place where God can be found even when he is found in the top floor in the terrace of the top floor. Once they found God this way they would have stopped building. They did not want to go and look for their God in the top of some mountain they wanted God in the mist in their city. (This is the concept the Muslims have copy, as in Mecca with that monument in Mecca). God's plans were not the same even though the concept it was similar to God's concept for the things to come but in the set up with the Israelites after their exit from Egypt and for them only. While God had plans for the whole world through Jesus Christ and included the Jews in the same plans. One plan for the whole world in Jesus Christ, God in our heart. To be accepted from God in the blood of the Slain Lamb of God who was Jesus Christ his Son, not the seed from any Man which means to include the Clean seed of Abraham which was in the Jews at that time on his birth. But not after the Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 19 28 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: Terah Abrahams father did worship idols. Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said to all the people, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelled on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. There are many Jewish historic books and ancient manuscripts that tells how Terah Abraham's father was an Idol maker. I like the intensity of your comment but they are without clarity of context, significant detail context. The issue at hand is if at the time of Abraham's birth to whom his Father was looking forwards to bless him with a heir? Was he asking the Idols to bring forth a man with the future blessings of God upon him or he was asking the blessings from God. And from whom Abraham had learn to look for the fertility blessings when he had put his hope and never weaver from it on God. And he would rather has no heir from himself if that was what God wanted and he never went to other God's for fertility. Later on his life if he (which I very much doubt) worship any odors is a speculation a duvious speculation as the scholarship said, because God said that he never worship the Idols not even after the birth of Abraham and not his Father who again would have matter if his Father was in God when the father of the Father of Abraham was born and not if later on if he was poluted with Idols worship. Some of their relatives in their family were poluted as was the Father of the favorite wife of Jacob whom the Lord closed her womb because she was looking for the blessing of fertility from the Idols which she took from her Father. God made this known that his Father and his ancestors all the way to Adam the line that was spare from the pollution of the Idols are his people as he is who was not poluted from the Idols and at the time of his death he will go to them and he will not be gathered to Him (as that will happen with Jesus Christ). Abraham was seperated in Life and in his death from the rest of the world which was poluted with the Idols the Gentile Nations. Abraham was gathered to the other people of God his Ancestors the clean seeds to Noah and to Adam. God had given them their own place in the place of the dead because they were his people when they lived and died as his own people and they were his own people after their death. Waiting to be gathered to the Heavenly Father in Jesus Christ the Son of God. Issac had Abraham as his Father and John the Baptist has Zacharias as he Father both born through the intervasion of God but both had clean but eartly fathers. They were of the people of God from clean seeds by the testimony of God of how they conceived from earthly fathers from a miracle of God but from earthly Father but not Jesus who was from the miracle of God but not from an earthly father from the clean seed. What do you want to say that God had to forgive the Sins of Abraham and cleansed him from the pollution of the Idols first before his blessings to him. If this was the case that would have made Abraham the same as the rest of the world God did not and could not have to do anything with them whom God called Gentiles...with some other strong names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said: I like the intensity of your comment but they are without clarity of context, significant detail context. You stated Abraham nor his ancestors worshiped idols. I simply showed you that was incorrect and gave you the verse that stated otherwise. What further clarification do you need? Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said to all the people, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelled on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. Edited March 19 by Jedi4Yahweh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 19 32 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: You stated Abraham nor his ancestors worshiped idols. I simply showed you that was incorrect and gave you the verse that stated otherwise. What further clarification do you need? Joshua 24:2 And Joshua said to all the people, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelled on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods. Suit your self say what you like but with those comments the clean genealogy of Mary cannot be questioned and the clean flesh of Jesus cannot be questioned. And the totality of the narative in Genesis and the principle of Abraham's clean seed and Mary and now her son Jesus cannot be questioned like that. Then Jesus was not clean in the flesh and no one was saved and God was not with him and he was not sitted with God in his Throne. And the Devil has not been judged...and on and on..Genesis does not agree with that. And Joshua make say what he said and the only source he had it was the scriptures in Genesis and we cannot justify what he said by the scriptures in Genesis. You do not have specific Genesis scriptures to support that a claim that it is against the grain that the mother of Jesus Christ had to come from the clean seed of Abraham who was the clean seed of Noah who was the clean seed of Adam. Those people were the people of God pre-Abraham and they were not poluted by the Idols if not how were they cleansed. There was not cleansing at that time till the Exodus from Egypt. Of you want to blind your self and do not want to look in Genesis with what you say it is the same what those who oppose Jesus Christ say the same words as you. That God did not have any children because all of them were poluted by the Idols. Now Joshua knew that not all in the family worship God that some were given to Idols even as it was Rachel and when Jacob took the Idols from anyone from his company and buried them. They were permissive and it was up to each one of them to choose but Joshua is telling them that cannot be from now on as when they were in Egypt some were worshiping the Idols. JOSHUA was telling them that they were judged by the Law and were Circumcised born to the Lord and the whole family and the community will be judged because their houses were sanctified to God and them selves were also sanctified to God and nothing unclean can enter their house. Joshua caution them from what was going around and some thought they can do that even when they did that in Egypt. No with the Covenant of Sinai, no in that Covenant they cannot do that. Have you not read the book of Leviticus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,870 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,764 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Online Share Posted March 19 (edited) @Jedi4Yahweh Why do you think the disciples put down the genealogy of Mary, or Jesus and when they reach Joseph they said whom the people thought that he was his Father. In principle and in fact they all disagree with your comments which comments the enemies of Jesus Christ as the Son of God support and they use arguments like that to prove that he was not from God the Son of God. Edited March 19 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 636 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: @Jedi4Yahweh Why do you think the disciples put down the genealogy of Mary, or Jesus and when they reach Joseph they said whom the people thought that he was his Father. Not sure what your asking?? Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus. Jesus human bloodline comes through his mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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