Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: Not sure what your asking?? Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus. Jesus human bloodline comes through his mother. Better reconsider the things you are saying that they were poluted with Idols Abraham and his Ancestors before him, not all of them not all the family members but the line the clean genealogy line from Noah to Abraham and from Noah to Adam. From Abraham to the Sinai Covenant it did not matter because they were under the Covenant of Cirumcision and from the Sinai Covenant to Jesus Christ God had began to Judge them and he hold their sins against them and He gave them the book of Leviticus to know how to have their sins forgiven and how to cleansed them selves from the pollution even the contact with the Gentiles or anything that poluted them. Be conscious what you are saying that effects the flesh of Jesus or his mother Mary the woman who gave birth to him. Because Jesus was born clean and with his divine Spirit from God he did not need the Levitical ritual to be clean. As the leapers toch him and they became clean, Jesus never he was unclean towards God. Towards the Law but how can be judged by the Law when he was clean even though the leapers toch him and when he touched the dead life came back to them. If when he touched the dead, the moment he touched the dead he head become unclean the dead will not be raised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: Not sure what your asking?? Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus. Jesus human bloodline comes through his mother. I never doubt your Salvation but the other things you are saying points to that Mary was not born from a clean flesh and that's what religions like the Muslim and other religions who believe in Jesus but deny that he was from God or the Son of God claim tooppose Jesus was not theSon of God. Thank you. . And he had to be in clean flesh without been poluted from the Idols from Abraham from Adam. Abraham must be clean flesh from his Father and from keeping himself clean from the Idols. From Noah and from Adam who never worship the Idols as the line to Noah and Noah never worship the Idols. Are you also challenging the genealogy of the Jews? Had not God seperated Abraham and his chosen seed after him from the rest of the world and the rest of his family and from Esau? After Abraham was by the Covenant of Cirumcision...and so on later by the Sinai Covenant. Edited March 19 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.36 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 7.13 Reputation: 1,796 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Your closest friendnt said: I never doubt your Salvation but the other things you are saying points to that Mary was not a born from a clean flesh and that's what religions like the Muslim and other religions who believe in Jesus but deny that he was from God or the Son of God. And he had to be in clean flesh without poluted from the Idols from Abraham. Romans 1: 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. Geneology proves bloodline for prophetic fulfillment. (son of man) The Resurrection is the prove of Divinity. (Son of God). Where does this doctrine of "clean flesh" come from? 6 and Jesse begot David the king. David the king begot Solomon... Surely you do not believe that Solomon remained free from the pollution of idols! And what about David and innocent blood? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backontrack Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 139 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,213 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/10/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 19 4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said: It was never said in the Gospel that everyone is Saved because Jesus Christ died for all people of the world which includes those who lived and die before the Cross. It says it died for all the people of the world. With that statement God gave the right to all people of the world, the right to be put in the valley of decision. And that cannot happen unless they have heard the good news of the Gospel first and they remain in that valley of decision till the time when they will die. This is for the living but for those who died before they will remain in their valley of decision till the time God has appointed for them. Because everyone will be judge according to their decision while in that valley. To believe or not to believe in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. John 3:16 says it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, backontrack said: John 3:16 says it all! And what it saying about the issue at hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. M Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 743 Topics Per Day: 1.36 Content Count: 3,893 Content Per Day: 7.13 Reputation: 1,796 Days Won: 12 Joined: 10/28/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1956 Share Posted March 19 13 minutes ago, backontrack said: John 3:16 says it all! 4 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: And what it saying about the issue at hand? 1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. "for sin", salvation is for those who believe in the Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi4Yahweh Posted March 19 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,955 Content Per Day: 0.26 Reputation: 634 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/12/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said: I never doubt your Salvation but the other things you are saying points to that Mary was not born from a clean flesh and that's what religions like the Muslim and other religions who believe in Jesus but deny that he was from God or the Son of God claim tooppose Jesus was not theSon of God. Thank you. . And he had to be in clean flesh without been poluted from the Idols from Abraham from Adam. Abraham must be clean flesh from his Father and from keeping himself clean from the Idols. From Noah and from Adam who never worship the Idols as the line to Noah and Noah never worship the Idols. Are you also challenging the genealogy of the Jews? Had not God seperated Abraham and his chosen seed after him from the rest of the world and the rest of his family and from Esau? After Abraham was by the Covenant of Cirumcision...and so on later by the Sinai Covenant. You are not making any sense?? Joseph did not impregnate Mary, it says that she was impregnated by the Holy Spirit (God). So, Joseph is not the biological father. This means the human side of Jesus' DNA came from his mother. The other half of his DNA came from God. This is why he is both Son of Man and Son of God. Edited March 19 by Jedi4Yahweh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Mr. M said: 1 John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. "for sin", salvation is for those who believe in the Gospel. That it what we are saying all along that Jesus Christ died for all and all they have the God given right when they hear the Gospel to respond to an open invitation to believe and no one to be forbidden. Some believe during the preaching but only those who believe from those who heard the Gospel are saved and because Jesus Christ died for all even for those who have refused to believe and for that reason the invitation to believe remains open to them to believe later on till the time when they will die. That's what John 3:16 says and the reward for believing are under the blood of Jesus Christ by faith alone and in other words starting the very moment they believe and Jesus Christ who is the eternal life and with him those who are under his blood are also in his eternal life with him. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 11 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said: You are not making any sense?? Joseph did not impregnate Mary, it says that she was impregnated by the Holy Spirit (God). So, Joseph is not the biological father. This means the human side of Jesus' DNA came from his mother. The other half of his DNA came from God. This is why he is both Son of Man and Son of God. I do not want to go back and forth and that too for one or two times but where did you get that that I said those things about Joshef being the biological father of Jesus and how can I say that if I do not believe that and I am not going to keep saying show me proof where did I say that. Please next time post the quote that says that first and then you make the comments and everyone can see and judge for himself. Because you may not incorrectly remember what it was posted or may that it was misread or someone else may have said that and you think it is me. Just be a careful reader and double check what you think is from memory. Next You know very well what the Bible say and so do I about Jesus that he did not have an earthly Father in the Gospel of Luke chapter one and two and he had only a mother and think about that all his DNA came from his mother God did not have flesh to give him DNA to prove that he is his Son or that ge is his Father this is why Paul said according to the flesh from his mother and according to the Spirit of Holiness from God and that's why God raised him from the dead. That's what Luke said and all the disciples said that the people thought that Joshef was his Father that means that the disciples understand that he was not. Please do not entertain your self with this kind of comments about someone else and if you want to say something just go on and say it and someone will like to discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted March 19 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,853 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,761 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. M said: Romans 1: 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. Geneology proves bloodline for prophetic fulfillment. (son of man) The Resurrection is the prove of Divinity. (Son of God). Where does this doctrine of "clean flesh" come from? 6 and Jesse begot David the king. David the king begot Solomon... Surely you do not believe that Solomon remained free from the pollution of idols! And what about David and innocent blood? Please do not mention the word doctrine because we are discussing from scripture. I am able to explain what I posted about being clean from the pollution of the Idols. That was important for Abraham that he was clean from the pollution of the worship of the Idols. And foremost he was a just man on his own standing. In Genesis 15 God made him righteous by degree so he will remain righteous in his standing before Him even if he did sone unrighteous act (as later on he did and God punished the King for the Sin of Abraham and the King complaint to God why he is punishing him and all his Nation for the sin of Abraham) If not God will never had drawn to choose him to make him the Patriarch of his Nation. After Abraham his offsprings were consider clean because they were born from the clean seed of Abraham and were also by an oath of God in the Covenant of Cirumcision his own children is like Abraham bring forth children for God they were his children born to him and they were branded from birth on the eight day of Cirumcision. They were conceived to him and they will be born to him the Circumcision had to take place at the eight day when the mother was declared clean and at the same time the baby for the same reason was declared clean. With the Covenant of Cirumcision as it was not the same as when under the Sinai Covenant the Israelites were not Judged their sins were not held against them they were the people of God because of the Cirumcision not because of what they did or not, it was like that some of the people of God were worshiping the Idols still the people of God and they were not judge to be cut off from God because their was not nothing in place for their reconciliation when they sin they were not judge by God. The did not have the fellowship of God to be with them for a number of reasons one is they were not sanctified and they were in Egypt a non sanctified Land something close to that because God refused to accept sacrifices from them in the Land of Egypt. He accepted sacrifices in the dessert a no man's land and his Holy mountain was there at that time while the Israelites were in Egypt. The first time they stand Judged was when Moses came down with the tablets and he broke the tablets to saved the people from the judgment upon them as it was written in the tablets. From that time on God sanctified them and he called them a Holy Nation. Indeed they were a Holy Nation to him and he gave them the sacrifices for the forgiveness of their sins and the Law to know when they sin and the cleansing laws and the rituals to cleansed them selves and the book of Leviticus to know when they were ceremonially unclean because they could not participate in the celebrations of their religious Calendar unless they were ceremonially clean. To this day the Jews keep those cleansing laws and this is why when a member of their family believes in Jesus Christ he cannot enter their home because they consider unclean and they and their house is clean sanctified according to the book of Leviticus and if they enter a Gentile house they become ceremonially unclean. Mary because was under the Sinai Covenant she was clean flesh because she was from the clean flesh of Abraham and she was clean also according to the book of Leviticus. This is why the Messiah could not be born in an Gentile Land or from a Gentile woman. Edited March 19 by Your closest friendnt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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