If any man defiles the Temple of God, him shall God destroy!

[Stewardofthemystery]

21 minutes ago, NConly said:

I am trying to understand.  We are humans with a sin nature after being saved we are still Human.

I also see verses like this

1 John 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

That is why we must be born again of Gods Holy Spirit and be given a “new” heart/mind/spirit and a “new” divine nature like that of Christ.

What John is saying there about sin and some saying “we have not sinned” ( in the past) is the same thing Paul is saying in Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned”

Both John and Paul are not suggesting that we all will “keep on sinning” in the future because that would contradict the words of God in several other places about those who are born of God that “cannot sin” and about being “made free from sin.”

 

1 John 3:9

Whosoever is born of God “doth not commit sin;” for his seed remaineth in him: and “he cannot sin”, because he is born of God.

Romans 6:18

Being then “made free from sin,”ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:22

But now being “made free from sin,”and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

 

And about not continuing in sin.

 

Romans 6:1-2

King James Version

6 What shall we say then? Shall we “continue in sin,” that grace may abound?

2 ((God forbid.)) How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Also it is written that those who “cannot cease from sin” are cursed children.

2 Peter 2:14

Having eyes full of adultery, and that “cannot cease from sin;” beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

 

 

[NConly]

6 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

That is why we must be born again of Gods Holy Spirit and be given a “new” heart/mind/spirit and a “new” divine nature like that of Christ.

What John is saying there about sin and some saying “we have not sinned” ( in the past) is the same thing Paul is saying in Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned”

Both John and Paul are not suggesting that we all will “keep on sinning” in the future because that would contradict the words of God in several other places about those who are born of God that “cannot sin” and about being “made free from sin.”

 

1 John 3:9

Whosoever is born of God “doth not commit sin;” for his seed remaineth in him: and “he cannot sin”, because he is born of God.

Romans 6:18

Being then “made free from sin,”ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:22

But now being “made free from sin,”and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

 

And about not continuing in sin.

 

Romans 6:1-2

King James Version

6 What shall we say then? Shall we “continue in sin,” that grace may abound?

2 ((God forbid.)) How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Also it is written that those who “cannot cease from sin” are cursed children.

2 Peter 2:14

Having eyes full of adultery, and that “cannot cease from sin;” beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

 

 

ok so if a person no longer sins is he/she perfect and needs nothing else. And why does a person need this verse

Phil 1

6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

12 minutes ago, NConly said:

ok so if a person no longer sins is he/she perfect and needs nothing else. And why does a person need this verse

Phil 1

6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

No man can overcome sin, the world, or the evil one without the power of Christ working in him.

God gives us everything we need to overcome sin, and “to put to death the deeds of the flesh”(sin) by the power of God’s Spirit.

Dying to sin can be a process, but the ONLY way that we can be “perfected”is by “abiding in Christ”

John 17:23

I in them, and thou in me, that “they may be made perfect in one;”and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

Colossians 2:10

And ye are “complete in him,”which is the head of all principality and power:

[Stewardofthemystery]

So what does it mean to “abide in Christ”?

Jesus said in John 15:1-10 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.2 Every branch inme that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.3 Now ye are cleanthrough the word which I have spoken unto you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide inmy love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”

Ok, some claim all Christians still "abide in sin",and that they "keep on sinning" even though they claim to have been born again of God's Holy Spirit. And even despite that ongoing disobedience and reoccurring sin they proclaim you still "abide inChrist". This my friends is false doctrine, because you cannot remain in sin and also remain inChrist at the same time.

Notice Jesus said in order to bear fruit one must"abide in Him", that also means believing in andabiding in His words. And here is what it means toabide in Him…

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

The "seed" mentioned there is "Christ". And again to "abide in Christ" is to 1 John 3:6 “Whosoeverabideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinnethhath not seen him, neither known him.”

So the simple truth is in order to bear good fruit we must "abide in Christ", which is to "abide in God's Word". And as we saw above to "abide in His love" we must keep His commandments" And to abide in Christ and remain in Christ one must stop sinning, because sinning is not abiding in Gods Word, neither is sinning abiding in the faith of Christ.

Now if one is still sinning are they truly "inChrist"? Not according to the words of God. Also we are shown in John 15 what happens if one inHim does not bear good fruit, Jesus said in John 15:2 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:”

So anyone in him that does not bear good fruit he takes away, meaning you will no longer "abide in"the Life of Christ (the vine).

 

 

And not only that we are told in verse 6 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." That is not salvation people, that is Destruction.

Also we cannot bear good fruit on our own except we abide in Him John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I inyou. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.” 

And again, to abide in Christ means you cannotabide in sin. Sin is not good fruit.

And if you remain in sin, then you truly don’t "abide in Christ" do you? And as Jesus said, those who do not "abide in Him" are cast forth as a branch, and then gathered and cast into the fireand burned.

Christ is not a vine of sin (minister of sin) Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Anyone who says you can abide in sin and still remain in Christ at the same time is a liar and a deceiver.

It is written in 2 John 9-10 “ Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”

It is your sins that separate you from God…

Isaiah 59:2 “But your iniquities have separatedbetween you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”

Just as Jesus is separated from sinners…..

Hebrews 7:26 “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate fromsinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

And to Love God and to "abide in Christ" is to keep His commandments….

24 And he that keepeth his commandmentsdwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

Abide in the Light of the Truth….1 John 2…..

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

 

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.” 

Did Jesus walk in sin? Of course not!

Jesus said in John 12:46 " I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not "abide in darkness." Meaning you should not abide in "the works of darkness," which is sin.

Also no false doctrine, or lie is of the Truth…..21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is ofthe truth.”

Just as the prince of this world and his spirit has no place in Christ either…. John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

Sin and darkness do not abide in the Light of Christ, and neither do those who still abide in sinand in darkness.

Jesus said whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin, and a servant of sin will not abide in His house forever. 

Brethren, “abide in Christ.” Peace and God bless

[farouk]

6 hours ago, NConly said:

I am trying to understand.  We are humans with a sin nature after being saved we are still Human.

I also see verses like this

1 John 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Hi @NConly Here's another relevant verse: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremian 17.9).

[Stewardofthemystery]

12 hours ago, farouk said:

Hi @NConly Here's another relevant verse: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremian 17.9).

Again, that is why man needs to be born again and be given a “new”heart/mind/spirit.

Ezekiel 18:31

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ezekiel 36:26

A “new heart” also will I give you, and a “new spirit” will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.