Free from sin?

[Live2believe]

8 hours ago, Orion said:

What does that joke intend to mean?  

I think you missed the point. I said before that the neighbor was sensitive to a certain subject. Let's say that he was gaining weight and was sensitive about this subject. I gave two scenarios when telling the above mentioned joke to this neighbor can either be a sin or not be a sin.

[Live2believe]

9 hours ago, Alive said:

The biblical definition of sin may help. The focus is to miss the mark and that mark is the perfect Righteousness of Christ.

sinned  G0264  ἁμαρτάνω   ----- [Analytics] sinned (104x)  G0264 (45x) [Mounce Greek Dictionary] gk G279 | s G264 ἁμαρτάνω hamartanō 43x pr. to miss a mark; to be in error, 1 Cor. 15:34; Tit. 3:11; to sin, Jn. 5:14; to be guilty of wrong, Mt. 18:15 → sin. ☞ mounce | niv | esv | csb | nrsv | nkjv | kjv

The Biblical definition of sin:  sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4, KJV).

[Orion]

8 hours ago, Live2believe said:

I am trying to understand what you consider to be a sin. Therefore I asked for examples. If you don't want to give several examples, I believe our discussion is not going to be productive.

It is of no import what I think is sin, but what God has called sin. 

We all have a sin nature, and we are all a subject to our flesh and "the sin that so easily besets." (Hebrews 12:1).  Not only do we do that which is sin, we all will also fail to do that which we know we ought to do, which is also sin. 

We all fall short of God's glory, of doing His will, of meeting His standard of perfection.  But God, by His abundance of grace He saves us, and by His every renewing mercies He forgives us. 

To be sure, God commands us to love Him with all our heart, soul, and strength. Can anyone but Yeshua claim to have kept perfectly that command?  God commands us to love our neighbor as ourselves.  Can anyone but Yeshua claim to have kept perfectly that command?  God commands us to repent, and He makes clear that repentance is an ongoing command/obligation for the believer.  Give all the glory to God, because He and only He is perfect. 

 

 

[Orion]

8 hours ago, Live2believe said:

I think you missed the point. I said before that the neighbor was sensitive to a certain subject. Let's say that he was gaining weight and was sensitive about this subject. I gave two scenarios when telling the above mentioned joke to this neighbor can either be a sin or not be a sin.

Many times jokes are made at someone's expense other than the joke teller. When we "joke" about others, we sin, whether or not the target of our joke is offended.  

When we speak the truth in love, that is to say: without it being intended or construed as a joke, then it is not sin. 

 

[Live2believe]

4 hours ago, Orion said:

It is of no import what I think is sin, but what God has called sin. 

We all have a sin nature, and we are all a subject to our flesh and "the sin that so easily besets." (Hebrews 12:1).  Not only do we do that which is sin, we all will also fail to do that which we know we ought to do, which is also sin. 

We all fall short of God's glory, of doing His will, of meeting His standard of perfection.  But God, by His abundance of grace He saves us, and by His every renewing mercies He forgives us. 

To be sure, God commands us to love Him with all our heart, soul, and strength. Can anyone but Yeshua claim to have kept perfectly that command?  God commands us to love our neighbor as ourselves.  Can anyone but Yeshua claim to have kept perfectly that command?  God commands us to repent, and He makes clear that repentance is an ongoing command/obligation for the believer.  Give all the glory to God, because He and only He is perfect. 

 

 

Do you believe that the prophecy in Ezekiel 36:24-27 came true (and a similar prophecy in Jeremiah 31:31-34)?

 

²⁴ For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

²⁵ Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

²⁶ A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

²⁷ And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Do you believe that nature of the believer has been changed (2 Peter 1:4)?

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

 

Edited May 9 by Live2believe

[Live2believe]

4 hours ago, Orion said:

Many times jokes are made at someone's expense other than the joke teller. When we "joke" about others, we sin, whether or not the target of our joke is offended.  

When we speak the truth in love, that is to say: without it being intended or construed as a joke, then it is not sin. 

 

 

"Bill was so fat when he stepped on the scale it said, "To be continued."

Do you think that telling this joke to anybody is sin?

Edited May 9 by Live2believe

[Orion]

16 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

 

"Bill was so fat when he stepped on the scale it said, "To be continued."

Do you think that telling this joke to anybody is sin?

Since you categorizrd it as a joke, and if at the time it was spoken it was umderstood as a joke, yes, it is sin. 

[LastDaysJames]

38 minutes ago, Live2believe said:

 

"Bill was so fat when he stepped on the scale it said, "To be continued."

Do you think that telling this joke to anybody is sin?

If you are talking about a real person that you know, then it is an insult, and yes, that would be wrong. But if you are just using the name "bill" for the sake of the joke, than no, it is not wrong (and kinda funny)

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

Do you believe that the prophecy in Ezekiel 36:24-27 came true (and a similar prophecy in Jeremiah 31:31-34)?

It is being fulfilled. 

 

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

Do you believe that nature of the believer has been changed (2 Peter 1:4)?

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

Our nature has not changed, but our disposition has changed in that we believers have the indwelling Christ and Holy Spirit. 

[lrs68]

We read that Jesus began a work in us when we were first saved.  So that's telling us there's a process going on where God is transforming us to His sinless Nature.  The process won't actually be completed until we make it to Heaven whether at a physical death or by way of the Rapture.  So understanding that the process to becoming sinless in Nature like God is not immediate but over our lifetime of living and walking with God also means we will sin.

 

The Apostle Paul, who wrote 13 Letters and most likely 14 if we include the Book of Hebrews made the claim that he killed his flesh daily and dealt with temptations to sin all of the time.  So it's safe to believe that even Paul never made it to a sinless state while on earth but he was very much like all of us in this discussion. 

 

Unfortunately, it's not my hope and desire to sin.   But sadly I will sin most likely unintentionally but I could still sin intentionally and I would need to repent.

 

Jesus taught His Disciples a DAILY PRAYER we call the Lord's Prayer.  Within this Prayer we confess sin and forgive the sins others do to us.

 

The fact that this Prayer is to be prayed DAILY means Jesus knows we must repent daily.   That is God showing us we haven't arrived yet and there's a process we must go through.   But through that process we have a way to repent and remain sinless by confessing our sins and asking to be forgiven on a DAILY BASIS.

Edited May 9 by lrs68