Free from sin?

[Live2believe]

3 hours ago, lrs68 said:

Please ignore my last post.  I was unaware of some of the rules and had I known I wouldn't have mentioned anything that controversial of a subject matter.   My sincere apologies.   

I did not see any problem.

[Live2believe]

4 hours ago, Orion said:

Is the joke prima facie offensive, subjectively offensive, subliminally offensive? 

We are told to give no offense to anyone in or outside the body of Christ, but to do everything to the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 10:31-32).

As followers of Yeshua, we know that words matter.  So, speak words of truth in love so as to edify, and not so as to cause one to stumble.  Peace 

 

 

Almost every joke can be percieved as offensive if a person is hyper-sensitive. This does not make telling a joke a sin. Sin would be telling a joke knowing it can offend a person.

Let me ask you a somewhat related question. I am invited to the house, and I trip over a todler who is playing on the floor because I did not notice him. The todler cries from pain. Did I commit a sin? 

[Orion]

9 hours ago, Live2believe said:

Almost every joke can be percieved as offensive if a person is hyper-sensitive.

If you are Christian and agree that almost every joke can be offensive, then telling a joke that you know might offend is not motivated by love.  So what is the motivation? 

 

9 hours ago, Live2believe said:

This does not make telling a joke a sin.

What is your motivation for telling a joke that you know might offend?  

 

9 hours ago, Live2believe said:

Sin would be telling a joke knowing it can offend a person.

I agree.  But, implying that the joke is not sin as long as you did not know that the joke would offend, is a bit naive.    

 

[Orion]

12 hours ago, Live2believe said:

Let me ask you a somewhat related question. I am invited to the house, and I trip over a todler who is playing on the floor because I did not notice him. The todler cries from pain. Did I commit a sin? 

If you are an adult, without disability, and with ideally functioning faculties and senses, the toddler is anywhere from 1 to 3 years of age, consider who among them owes the other a duty of care. 

When you understand that the adult owed the toddler a duty of care, consider next what it was that caused the adult to breach that duty of care?  Was it negligence? 

When considering the adult's duty of care, keep in mind that there is the commission of sin, which is to do that which is sin, and there is the sin of omission, which is the failure to do that which you ought. 

As an adult Christian, you have a duty to act as you ought, as Yeshua and the apostles taught, which is to take care that you not harm or offend others, even accidentally.  When you do, you have sinned.  

Accidents happen, and fault for accidents is in many instances shared between multiple responsible actors, each of whom negligence is counted against them as sin.  It goes back to the duty of care one owes to others. 

In the case of you injuring a toddler because you failed to notice the child on the floor, you breached the duty of care you owed that child, and therefore sinned. 

[Live2believe]

3 hours ago, Orion said:

If you are Christian and agree that almost every joke can be offensive, then telling a joke that you know might offend is not motivated by love.  So what is the motivation? 

 

What is your motivation for telling a joke that you know might offend?  

 

I agree.  But, implying that the joke is not sin as long as you did not know that the joke would offend, is a bit naive.    

 

When I tell jokes to people I do it out of love without the slightest motivation to offend a person. Therefore, it is not sin. No divine law is broken.

[Live2believe]

17 minutes ago, Orion said:

If you are an adult, without disability, and with ideally functioning faculties and senses, the toddler is anywhere from 1 to 3 years of age, consider who among them owes the other a duty of care. 

When you understand that the adult owed the toddler a duty of care, consider next what it was that caused the adult to breach that duty of care?  Was it negligence? 

When considering the adult's duty of care, keep in mind that there is the commission of sin, which is to do that which is sin, and there is the sin of omission, which is the failure to do that which you ought. 

As an adult Christian, you have a duty to act as you ought, as Yeshua and the apostles taught, which is to take care that you not harm or offend others, even accidentally.  When you do, you have sinned.  

Accidents happen, and fault for accidents is in many instances shared between multiple responsible actors, each of whom negligence is counted against them as sin.  It goes back to the duty of care one owes to others. 

In the case of you injuring a toddler because you failed to notice the child on the floor, you breached the duty of care you owed that child, and therefore sinned. 

Yes, we have to take care that we not harm or offend others. However, accidents happen. Accidental harm is not sin. In the example with todler, I was not even aware of this todler existence. If I had a heart attack and fell on this todler because of that, is this sin? Are you sure you understand what sin is?

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

When I tell jokes to people I do it out of love without the slightest motivation to offend a person. Therefore, it is not sin. No divine law is broken.

Yes, if the joke is in no way offensive, as in: "Why did the chicken cross the street. To get to the other side.", it is not sin.  However, even if you did not intend to offend, or know that your joke would offend, but indeed did offend, it is sin. 

[Orion]

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

Accidental harm is not sin.

Depends on the behavior and actions that caused the resultant harm. Reckless, inconsiderate, irresponsible, behavior is sinful, and might accidentally cause harm to someone.

 

1 hour ago, Live2believe said:

If I had a heart attack and fell on this todler because of that, is this sin?

Depends on whether or not you were doing something reckless, inconsiderate, and/or irresponsible at time that caused your heart attack. 

[Live2believe]

6 hours ago, Orion said:

Yes, if the joke is in no way offensive, as in: "Why did the chicken cross the street. To get to the other side.", it is not sin.  However, even if you did not intend to offend, or know that your joke would offend, but indeed did offend, it is sin. 

Imagine that you tell this joke about the chicken crossing a road, and someone had a traumatic experience of witnessing how a car ran over a chicken on a road. You see, you caused pain to that person or sinned according to your belief. However, I don't consider this sin. Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). Law within a person is conscience (Romans 2:14,15). Law would be doing something against the conscience. And it is not telling a clean joke with the intention of making people feel better, although sometimes someone somewhere may be affected. 

[Live2believe]

6 hours ago, Orion said:

Depends on whether or not you were doing something reckless, inconsiderate, and/or irresponsible at time that caused your heart attack. 

Nothing reckless, inconsiderate, and/or irresponsible. Just an accident. Unless you think that eating 1-2 burgers per week is reckless and, therefore, sin. 

Edited Monday at 11:55 PM by Live2believe