The Journey Posted July 11, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1970 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Blood, The 1611 was the first completed translation as commissioned by King James. There were other Bibles before the 1611 KJV. The 1611 has undergone 5 revisions since 1611 the last in 1769. Anyone who believes that the 1611 was God's perfect Bible needs to actually go see and read a 1611. It is almost impossible to read...it has the Apocrypha and the catholic prayers for the dead...and has footnotes from the 1611 translators noting where the KJV text is not well supported by the Greek. The translators themselves state that their goal was to produce a modern translation that could be read and understood by the people of the 1600s. This is the same goal behind all the new translations. Most KJV-onlyist do not want to discuss all the problems with KJV and its many revisions. But they delight in mocking all the translations since 1611. Again, of focus must be on the Greek manuscripts that are the basis of all translations...including the beloved KJV. - Steve PS Martyr, you are right the NASB is the most accurate translation from the Greek. It reads like a Greek interlinear Bible. It is as close to a word for word as you will get....even more true to the Greek than the KJV. But it is also sometimes choppy and difficult to just sit and read for pleasure. The ESV is accurate but IMHO much more readible and enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFaceInTheCrowd Posted July 11, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,138 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/26/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/16/1969 Author Share Posted July 11, 2003 thanks guys for your alls input on this subject matter.may the LORD bless you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyr Posted July 11, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1969 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Dr. Steve, I just wanted to stir the pot a little bit. I have never seen an ESV, but it sounds like a version to check out in the near future. Keep posting the wonderful insights, brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journey Posted July 12, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1970 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Martyr, Its nice to be appreciated by a veteran member!!! Have your seen any of those gorgeous calf-skin leather NASB from leatherbibles.com. They are a little pricey but absolutely a work of art. - Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyr Posted July 12, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 26 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1969 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Nope, I haven't seen those. My little NASB is on its last legs. When it finally wears out, I hope to be able to find a nicely bound, leather edition so that it will have a longer than five year life span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 12, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 265 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/19/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 12, 2003 Hello All! Its awesome to see so many knowledgeable people, and to be able to discuss so many different topics here. I enjoy reading the posts and gaining a better understanding, or a differing point of view about a matter. After reading through the thread on some of the many differing versions of the Bible that exists, and some of the omissions that were in some of them, A question came to mind. When the scriptures were recorded by men inspired by the Holy Spirit, They recorded as they were led. These events we read about were over a wide range and time period. For example, In the new testament recordings, those that were present during one event, did not have access to the completed recorded works that covered every group or individual that we have today in the Bible, since in some cases it happened at a later time than when they were present. We are told of many events and what happened in each place, what was said etc. , But at the time, those present at, say the day of Pentecost, were not present when John was exiled on Patmos. Although Im relatively sure that the events and works at each juncture were recorded, they were not brought together as a whole until a later time. Yet, people were saved, lives were changed, and God was glorified. Jesus tells us that He came to save, and that He did and does today. Many were saved without the knowledge of the completed works and the scriptures we have today, as is recorded in God's word. Now to my question, What do you feel is the significance of having a complete work of the recorded , Holy Spirit inspired Word of God today, as opposed to a limited knowledge and understanding as those who lived during the events had? And since we have these, what is expected of us with this knowledge? O.k., Its actually 2 questions, but think of it as 1 question with 2 parts. lol God Bless! Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted July 13, 2003 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 200 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1954 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Rick I think that is an excellent observation and question. Personally I think too much is made of having the completed work. Sure the word of God is important, real important. But even if we only have a partial word and respond to it, we will know the truth and the truth will set us free. The Holy Spirit of God is still right here doing His job of convicting and restoring us. Knowledge does not save us, the Holy Spirit brings us to the cross of Jesus Christ. We need to follow the revelation of God where ever it might be. Let us say hypotheticly that we have no bible to read. God would still find a way to get the truth to us. He is able. I say read as many translations as you can and let the Holy Spirit do His job. He is an excellent teacher. Just my 2 cents..... God bless, Denny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted July 20, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2003 Blood, The 1611 was the first completed translation as commissioned by King James. There were other Bibles before the 1611 KJV. The 1611 has undergone 5 revisions since 1611 the last in 1769. Anyone who believes that the 1611 was God's perfect Bible needs to actually go see and read a 1611. It is almost impossible to read...it has the Apocrypha and the catholic prayers for the dead...and has footnotes from the 1611 translators noting where the KJV text is not well supported by the Greek. The translators themselves state that their goal was to produce a modern translation that could be read and understood by the people of the 1600s. This is the same goal behind all the new translations. Most KJV-onlyist do not want to discuss all the problems with KJV and its many revisions. But they delight in mocking all the translations since 1611. Again, of focus must be on the Greek manuscripts that are the basis of all translations...including the beloved KJV. - Steve PS Martyr, you are right the NASB is the most accurate translation from the Greek. It reads like a Greek interlinear Bible. It is as close to a word for word as you will get....even more true to the Greek than the KJV. But it is also sometimes choppy and difficult to just sit and read for pleasure. The ESV is accurate but IMHO much more readible and enjoyable. Dr Steve, I bought a brand new, leather bound, burgandy, ESV today and I absolutely love it. It's very readable but still has the beautiful prose. Love it Love it Love it!!! Thanks for touting it so much that it got my attention! *I just love it!* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader4Christ Posted July 20, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 72 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,029 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 20, 2003 My KJV and NASB suit me very well at this point. I like the KJV because of the writing style. I like the NASB because of the great translation. I might consider getting an ESV and a NKJV, or a Study Bible. PS: I like the feel of my NASB. It's vinyl, and black, and has thinline pages. It looks very thin because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted July 20, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Hey, all. It's been awhile since my last access. Kinda busy lately. I'll have to throw my support behind the KJV here. The RV and AS and others are based on newer found "older" manuscipts, and many verses seem to be "updated" but for all the good that might do, these newer versions seem to change or omit many other verses that are not even affected by "newly discovered" manuscipts. The NIV was a disgrace which included such esteemed scholars as a lesbian "bishop". This lady watered down the Lord's direction and teachings toward homosexuality. Many other "lifestyle" issues seemed to get the same treatment as well (i.e., prostitution). I would be all for a new translation that updated the KJV, if that was the result, but new translations seem to go beyond the simple updates, they reach into a realm of ridiculous apostacy in order to sell more copies. I believe that time will tell, though. Of the many versions that have been published over the past 1,500 yrs or so, one seems to stand the test of time. Is there something to this? I'm not so much "KJV only", as I am more "KJV inclined". Just remember that the devil is more subtle than any other being. In Christ, t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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