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[felix]

These "prophesies" are hardly anything new.

Revelations and other books in the Bible clearly state what is going to happen.

Why do we need modern day "prophets" when everything we need to know is already wriiten down in the word of God?

You say you neither "tested" nor "despised" anything...you just had a question. Why is it then you FIRST declare "These 'prophesies' are hardly anything new."?

Are these prophecies hardly anything new? Show us how.

CFS wrote about a big storm and the clouds looking like blood.

Staying off the water etc.

That is why I said it was nothing new.

Revelations tells us the the sky will look like blood.

Everything in the water will die.

Big storms etc.

I see what you are saying. However, what revelation speaks of occurs at the end-time. Today I do not think there can be such ones as "end-time" prophets for this has been spoken in Revelation. As long as it confirms Revelation then it is bibilically sound. However, when one should speak of judgement that is coming NOW it is quite different.

I have had a dream of Rita where people from Houston would be rushing north and there would be a lot of traffic. Yet later it was prophesied that Rita would not hit Houston. As you know the words of the prophets of God were right. Rita steered clear of Houston which was TOTALLY UNEXPECTED BY METEOROLOGISTS. Just because someone is prophesying of Judgement does not automatically mean they are refering to the End-Times. In this manner these "prophecies" which you seem to be refering to are not "hardly anything new". Rather it is meant for us now though it could be we are nearing the End-times.

Nevermind...yod explained it already...

Hey Yod,

I'm not sure if you were refering to me but is this what you are trying to say....

"A prophecy (or rhema) cannot contradict logic..."

Are you refering to the dream I had regarding Hurricane Rita and people from Houston fleeing north? Actually that did happen. People did evacuate Houston and there was real bad traffic to the point where people spent days on the road. However, there were some who stayed behind and many of those in Christ prayed for the Lord to remove Rita. Rita on the day it was suppose to hit suddenly veered east...something not calculated. So it was through the prayers of the many saints that God did this.

If people did not pray Houston as we know it may be destroyed as of now. However, because of the petition of the many faithful saints it was diverted. Likewise, we can exercise the same thing in this time. Heed the warnings and pray!

Edited March 9, 2006 by felix

[Guest yod]

Hey Yod,

I'm not sure if you were refering to me but is this what you are trying to say....

you quoted Giour, not me...

"A prophecy (or rhema) cannot contradict logic..."

Not logic...logos (Jewish-Greek for the "written Word")

Are you refering to the dream I had regarding Hurricane Rita and people from Houston fleeing north? Actually that did happen. People did evacuate Houston and there was real bad traffic to the point where people spent days on the road. However, there were some who stayed behind and many of those in Christ prayed for the Lord to remove Rita. Rita on the day it was suppose to hit suddenly veered east...something not calculated. So it was through the prayers of the many saints that God did this.

If people did not pray Houston as we know it may be destroyed as of now. However, because of the petition of the many faithful saints it was diverted. Likewise, we can exercise the same thing in this time. Heed the warnings and pray!

Actually I didn't say anything in regards to anyone's dream specifically....but since you mention it. A lot of those people on the highways leading out of the city were my relatives.

My hometown is near Beaumont TX where Rita landed. No loss of life because we understand that "mandatory evacuation" doesn't mean to get drunk and throw a party in the streets.

Lots of saints were praying it would hit an unihabited area. Guess what? It didn't.

Beaumont is more important than any city in the south since it has the world's largest oil refineries. The current energy-based economy began there with Spindletop in 1901....and stretched to Houston

[felix]

Wow, there's a lot of communication going on...it would be easier with an Instant Messenger...

Yod,

I quoted my own dream again. The veering of hurricane Rita was something prophesied. I'm not sure what you are trying to convey here but the thing is there was no loss of life. I personally do not know what people were praying for regarding hurricane Rita but I do know that it was the Lord's mercy that He at least veered off hurricane Rita and specifically that there was no loss of life. It's not about how important a city is but it's about the lives of people. I believe many lives were spared.

[Guest yod]

That could have been the result no matter where it hit. They understand "mandatory evacuation" in Houston too :-)

It was a miracle that no one died in Beaumont because 2 million trees were knocked over.

[felix]

That could have been the result no matter where it hit. They understand "mandatory evacuation" in Houston too :-)

It was a miracle that no one died in Beaumont because 2 million trees were knocked over.

Actually, I believe it was a lot easier to evacuate Beaumount than Houston. I do not believe you understood the situation correctly. I live in Austin, Texas and my relatives live in Houston and I had a friend whose relatives lived in Beaumont. The traffic crisis was a big situation and many were still stuck near Houston because of it.

The population of Houston is 1,953,631.

The population of Beaumont is 113,866.

The reason people had to spend days on the road was because of the sheer volume. IF RITA HIT HOUSTON there would be a guarantee of lost of life.

Yod, what are you trying to say? That the veering of hurricane Rita wasn't of God? That the prayers of the saints were not heard by God?

[Guest yod]

Actually, I believe it was a lot easier to evacuate Beaumount than Houston.

the only major highway out of Beaumont leads to Houston. For the people trying to go north (the only sensible direction) there is a one lane road. It took 26 hours to make a 4 hour trip for my friends/family

The reason people had to spend days on the road was because of the sheer volume. IF RITA HIT HOUSTON there would be a guarantee of lost of life.

not necessarily. They evactuated.

Yod, what are you trying to say? That the veering of hurricane Rita wasn't of God? That the prayers of the saints were not heard by God?

Of course the "veering" was of God. Who else?

But God didn't listen to somebody that day or it would have not hit a populated area at all....like Winnie TX maybe?

But let's flip the question around...are you saying that since more people are in Houston, He ignored the saints of Beaumont's prayers?

(that is a rhetorical question)

[felix]

Actually, I believe it was a lot easier to evacuate Beaumount than Houston.

the only major highway out of Beaumont leads to Houston. For the people trying to go north (the only sensible direction) there is a one lane road. It took 26 hours to make a 4 hour trip for my friends/family

The reason people had to spend days on the road was because of the sheer volume. IF RITA HIT HOUSTON there would be a guarantee of lost of life.

not necessarily. They evactuated.

Yod, what are you trying to say? That the veering of hurricane Rita wasn't of God? That the prayers of the saints were not heard by God?

Of course the "veering" was of God. Who else?

But God didn't listen to somebody that day or it would have not hit a populated area at all....like Winnie TX maybe?

But let's flip the question around...are you saying that since more people are in Houston, He ignored the saints of Beaumont's prayers?

(that is a rhetorical question)

I've come to the conclusion that you just want the last word in everything and you're just being ornery. Hurricane Rita initially category 5 became just category 3 or 2. It's not about where the hurricane hit but that God HAD MERCY and spared lives. I didn't want this to get into a very very needless debate but just showing that when things are about to happen and we pray and petition for it God will have MERCY as well. Just like God did with the people Jonah prophesized to. That was simply the point.

And I still do not see your purpose here. In the end this is what I come to...whatever I say you MUST find a way to disagree just because I didn't agree with you one time.

[Guest yod]

I've come to the conclusion that you just want the last word in everything and you're just being ornery.

It's hard to disagree with that. :-)

And I still do not see your purpose here. In the end this is what I come to...whatever I say you MUST find a way to disagree just because I didn't agree with you one time.

Why do you consider another perspective disagreement?

I'll give you the last word (tonight) hehehe

[Christ's Free Servant]

I've come to the conclusion that you just want the last word in everything and you're just being ornery.

It's hard to disagree with that. :-)

And I still do not see your purpose here. In the end this is what I come to...whatever I say you MUST find a way to disagree just because I didn't agree with you one time.

Why do you consider another perspective disagreement?

I'll give you the last word (tonight) hehehe

Yod is right. We should never consider disagreements as personal. None of us are going to agree on everything. We should respect everyone's right to disagree, as long as it is done respectfully, not maliciously and with no malice intended. I will never allow a thread of mine to turn into a heated debate where people attack one another. Disagreements are fine. That is healthy. I appreciate, Yod, your sense of humor in this. As long as we don't reduce ourselves to personal attacks on one another or on one another's character, I see no harm in healthy debate and discussion. I will always try to answer anyone's legitimate questions concerning anything I have said, but if a person feels the need to attack me or to try to make judgments about me without knowledge, then I would have to respectfully ask them to find a better way of communicating and if that did not work, I would then ask the person to leave the topic, and if that did not work, I would close the topic. I've closed several that I really would have liked to have left open, because some kids just don't know how to play nice. So, all I ask is that we play nice, ok?

[Christ's Free Servant]

Actually, I believe it was a lot easier to evacuate Beaumount than Houston.

the only major highway out of Beaumont leads to Houston. For the people trying to go north (the only sensible direction) there is a one lane road. It took 26 hours to make a 4 hour trip for my friends/family

The reason people had to spend days on the road was because of the sheer volume. IF RITA HIT HOUSTON there would be a guarantee of lost of life.

not necessarily. They evactuated.

Yod, what are you trying to say? That the veering of hurricane Rita wasn't of God? That the prayers of the saints were not heard by God?

Of course the "veering" was of God. Who else?

But God didn't listen to somebody that day or it would have not hit a populated area at all....like Winnie TX maybe?

But let's flip the question around...are you saying that since more people are in Houston, He ignored the saints of Beaumont's prayers?

(that is a rhetorical question)

I've come to the conclusion that you just want the last word in everything and you're just being ornery. Hurricane Rita initially category 5 became just category 3 or 2. It's not about where the hurricane hit but that God HAD MERCY and spared lives. I didn't want this to get into a very very needless debate but just showing that when things are about to happen and we pray and petition for it God will have MERCY as well. Just like God did with the people Jonah prophesized to. That was simply the point.

And I still do not see your purpose here. In the end this is what I come to...whatever I say you MUST find a way to disagree just because I didn't agree with you one time.

Personally, I don't see the value in this debate, but I do feel some good points were brought up on both sides. I think Yod's question about the possibility of God not listening to some people is a legitimate question. And, Felix, I agree with you wholeheartedly that God is a God of mercy and he does listen to the prayers of his children. Now, we enter into the whole realm of God being both a God of mercy and a God of justice and why does God allow suffering in the world, even sometimes when people do pray for safety? Were they not praying or was God just not listening? Does he always promise us that he will protect us from harm? Didn't he say that he will be with us when we go "through" these things? And, if he decides to take people home to be with him, is that a bad thing? Why do storms seem to hit some people and leave other people alone? Does God have a purpose in all of this? Do you think we are going to be able to answer that? Maybe going through a storm is just what we need and if God spares us we don't learn. I don't think God promises us that we won't go through storms or hardships or even death if we pray to him, but I do believe he has promised to keep us in his care, which means that no matter what God takes us through, we understand his Sovereignty and we know that he has allowed it in our lives for a purpose and he has a plan to make us stronger through it. Tough days are coming ahead. I don't believe we can pray them away, but we can pray for God's peace in the storm. We can pray for strength and endurance and we can pray for miracles of God's grace, but ultimately we must have the attitude of heart that says with Jesus, "nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done."