dgolvach Posted April 9, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 110 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,254 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2006 a.) One finds deliverance by focusing on his sin and allowing the guilt to punish him.(or her) b.) One finds deliverance by focusing on what Christ did for him (or her) at the cross. Which one works better? Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted April 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2006 a.) One finds deliverance by focusing on his sin and allowing the guilt to punish him.(or her) b.) One finds deliverance by focusing on what Christ did for him (or her) at the cross. Which one works better? Dan Romans 7: 24 Miserable one that I am! Who will deliver me from this mortal body? For Paul's answer, read Romans Chap. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tah Posted April 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,131 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/12/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2006 I find deliverance by seeing the sin and then repenting of the sin and God delivers me.. sorry don't have a sripture right off ,just my experience... I am not sure I understand the question either.. Focasing on my sin does not bring deliverance and focasing on what Jesus did for me doesn't either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted April 9, 2006 a.) One finds deliverance by focusing on his sin and allowing the guilt to punish him.(or her) b.) One finds deliverance by focusing on what Christ did for him (or her) at the cross. The problem here is . . . Without "a", why would the person need "b"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted April 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.20 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2006 And without B, there is no solution for A. You have to have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hebrews_beauty Posted April 9, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 232 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2006 And without B, there is no solution for A. You have to have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotJohn Posted April 9, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 24 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/05/1981 Share Posted April 9, 2006 "There is therefore now no condemnation in Christ..." Focusing on the sin will keep you bound to it. Don't stare at the problem, look at the solution: Christ's blood shed for us to deliver us from sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nanasimmons Posted April 10, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/05/1967 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Righteousness...Justification,salvation Galatians 3:21 If there had been a law given that could have given life,Verily righteousness(above) should have been by the law...(Phil 3:9;Romans 3:21-26) A.) Our righteousness....Is as filthy rags Isa 64:6 Not fit to appear before God. Matt 22:1-14 ..Without a wedding garment---cast into outer darkness Matt 9:16 can't put new cloth on old garment B.) Christ's righteousness.....Justification,Salvation Isa. 61:10,11 He has clothed me with garments of salvation,He has clothed me with a robe of righteousness. As a bridegroom decketh himself,As a bride adorneth herself. Rev. 7:9-14 The great mulitude of all nations before the throne of the Lamb,which have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Rev. 19:7,8 The marriage of the Lamb is come and His wife has made herself ready.To her (the church) was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen,clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints... Hope this helps------Nana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David from New Bern Posted April 10, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 527 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/21/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) a.) One finds deliverance by focusing on his sin and allowing the guilt to punish him.(or her) b.) One finds deliverance by focusing on what Christ did for him (or her) at the cross. Which one works better? Dan Hey Dan...It would be interesting to know what your personal experience with this concept has been. It is a highly subjective question and very practical. While there is much objective truth, sometimes the obvious answers are highly subjective. As almost always with these issues the answers require explanation and sometimes we have the wrong options listed or answers that are not specific enough. Option A makes as much sense as going on a diet and going to pizza Hut and studying a menu to overcome. Option B is too passive if the focus does not result in feelings of conviction (not guilt). So, I would rather says we must come to terms with our sinfulness and own it. We need to look to Christ the author of our salvation. Wholeheartedly, we need to accept the forgivenesss (releaving us from guilt). Then in victory moving toward the goal of Christ-likeness by respnding to the ministry of the Holy Spirit which is conviction and a renewed priority of living... Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy Edited April 10, 2006 by David from New Bern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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