Another look at Dan 9

[MK202002]

sorry, want to make sure I understand.... Do you mean that you disagree with a seven year tribulation period, and instead believe in a 3 1/2 year timeframe?

[dotcom]

Hi MK202002.

Yes, that's what I'm suggesting, a 3 1/2 year tribulation period. The interpretation of the "one week" in Daniel 9: 27 is the only place I know of in Scripture, that created (misinterpreted?) the 7 year scenario.

Here are more Scriptures to support a 3 1/2 year view:

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Revelation 11:2

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Revelation 13:5

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth Revelation 11:3

And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Revelation 12:6

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[Kenna Frye]

There is so much confusion about this prophecy! What most people do not realize is that this entire prophecy in Daniel 9 has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANTICHRIST OR 7 YEAR TRIBULATION OR THE TEMPLE BEING REBUILT FOR A 3RD TIME! This is just a prophecy about the Gospel going to the Gentiles after the 490 years were over! That's it! The main subject is the Gospel, not Antichrist.

[forgiven1]

There is so much confusion about this prophecy! What most people do not realize is that this entire prophecy in Daniel 9 has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANTICHRIST OR 7 YEAR TRIBULATION OR THE TEMPLE BEING REBUILT FOR A 3RD TIME! This is just a prophecy about the Gospel going to the Gentiles after the 490 years were over! That's it! The main subject is the Gospel, not Antichrist.

Trying to have a serious study of prophecy on here always reminds me of the story of the blind men and the elephant.

It was six men of Indostan,

To learning much inclined,

Who went to see the Elephant

(Though all of them were blind),

That each by observation

Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,

And happening to fall

Against his broad and sturdy side,

At once began to bawl:

"God bless me! but the Elephant

Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,

Cried, -"Ho! what have we here

So very round and smooth and sharp?

To me 'tis mighty clear,

This wonder of an Elephant

Is very like a spear!"

The Third approach'd the animal,

And happening to take

The squirming trunk within his hands,

Thus boldly up and spake:

"I see," -quoth he- "the Elephant

Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,

And felt about the knee:

"What most this wondrous beast is like

Is mighty plain," -quoth he,-

"'Tis clear enough the Elephant

Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,

Said- "E'en the blindest man

Can tell what this resembles most;

Deny the fact who can,

This marvel of an Elephant

Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun

About the beast to grope,

Then, seizing on the swinging tail

That fell within his scope,

"I see," -quoth he,- "the Elephant

Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan

Disputed loud and long,

Each in his own opinion

Exceeding stiff and strong,

Though each was partly in the right,

And all were in the wrong!

MORAL,

So, oft in theologic wars

The disputants, I ween,

Rail on in utter ignorance

Of what each other mean;

And prate about an Elephant

Not one of them has seen!

Needless to say, my interpretaion of these prophetic events differs from those posted here with some agreement and some differing opinion. I'll think about if I should give my 2 shekels worth or not.

[Johni]

What Christopher_John said!

[Kenna Frye]

It never ceases to amaze me at how many people actually think that this prophecy has to do with Antichrist, when the only thing that this prochecy actually deals with is the Gospel going to the Gentiles. It is sad to see all of the different interpretations when the bible is so blatantly clear....

[antiaging]

Can we take another look at Daniel 9: 24-27?

I see it like this.

Daniel 9, is a brief overview of the time from Daniel to the end. Daniel 11 goes into

more detail of that same period.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy

city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make

reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and

to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the

commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince

shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be

built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but

not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy

the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and

unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in

the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to

cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,

even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the

desolate.

The 70 weeks of punishment on Israel in Dan. 9 are shown in more detail in

Dan. 11.

The angel Gabriel told Daniel that 70 weeks of punishment for iniquity would

be visited upon Israel for her sins. That is referring to 70 weeks of years

or 70 times 7 years. Dan. 9:24 shows these are years of punishment.

The first 69 years of this punishment on Israel happen before Messiah comes.

Then it says that Messiah would be killed, Dan.9:26, and in the same verse

it tells that the people that the antichrist (the prince that shall come)

will come from, will destroy the city and the sancturary. The Romans did

that in 70AD. This shows that the antichrist will be a Roman prince or

ruler. Notice, that there is an historical break of over 1900 years in that

one verse, going from the death of Jesus, to the prince that shall come, the

antichrist. 69 of the 70 weeks of years had passed, and there is one 7 year

period of punishment on Israel left.

[The reason for this over 1900 year break in time is because as it says in

Daniel 9:24, the seventy weeks are determined upon the Jews and Jerusalem.

It must be fulfilled when the Jews are a nation and living in Jerusalem.

From around AD 70 onward, the Jews were a scattered people and not a nation

living at Jerusalem. So only the 69 weeks could be fulfilled till that time.

In Dan. 9:26 it tells of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and it says

desolations are determined. This is the period that Israel will be desolate

for over 1900 years. Israel became a nation again in 1948 and got control of

Jerusalem in 1967. Now the remaining last week of 7 years can be fulfilled.

Week number 70.]

Dan. 9:27 shows that this prince that shall come, the antichrist, will make

a 7 year covenant with Israel, and in the middle of the 7 years, he will

cause the sacrifice and oblation that Israel offers to God to stop, and for

the abominations, in those days, the antichrist shall make desolation or

destruction even until the end of the world. The time of that 7 year

covenant is the final 7 years till the end of the world called the

tribulation period. The last 3 and a half years of it are called the great

tribulation, by Bible scholars

If you look at Daniel chapter 11 you will see in detail what happened during

the 69 weeks, or 69 times 7 years that Israel was punished before Messiah

came, and you will see in detail what will happen during week 70 which will

happen during the last 7 years till the end of the world. Daniel was given

this knowledge years later.

Starting in Daniel 11:2 and going through till Daniel 11:17, it is talking

about the reason for the trouble that happened to Israel during the 69 times

7 years before Messiah came. Israel was oppressed by Babylon, and then

Babylon was taken over by Medo Persia which was continuing to oppress Israel

at the time of the writing.

It starts by talking about the remaining kings to rule over Persia, and then

it shows that Greece would take over Persia, then Israel would be oppressed

by Greece. Then it talks about how the kingdom of Greece was divided after

Alexander the great (the mighty king in verse 3), and Greece was divided

into four parts under the rule of 4 of Alexander

[JesusisGod2]

What troubles me about this interpretation is that it just seems incomprehensible that God would give His Son, Jesus, 42 months on this earth for His Ministry, and then give Satan twice that long???? (and as stated clearly in Revelation, Satan is given 42 months, not 84 months)

One thing that one must understand is that Jesus is God, and that it is He, Whom has set the time of His ministry of salvation, which by the way is still going on and has not ceased. The gospel is still being spread and many more have been brought to Him since His death and resurrection, than when He was in His earthly ministry.

His main purpose for coming in the flesh to the earth, (which He, Himself had created) was to offer up Himself as the perfect sacrifice, holy and acceptable, to totally wipe out and forgive the sins of those who trust in and believe in Him.

It never ceases to amaze me at how many people actually think that this prophecy has to do with Antichrist, when the only thing that this prochecy actually deals with is the Gospel going to the Gentiles. It is sad to see all of the different interpretations when the bible is so blatantly clear....

Actually it has to do with both, but it has Israel in mind in regards to her redemption in the not to distant future.

[antiaging]

Daniel Chapter 9

Verse 24 seems imperative in interpreting verse 27, in having a wide-angled view of God

Edited September 24, 2007 by antiaging

[EricH]

Saints,

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