Judgment Day's "Real Evidence"

July 26, 2006

There is plenty of evidence.

Creation alone speaks of his handy work, and those who will not see that will be without excuse at the judgement day.

The word of God clearly states this truth....Psalms 19:1- Romans 1:20

Then we have the personal witness, for even before we knew we needed him, he sought us.

I know he did me.

As a child he made himself known to me, in a personal way.

I believe he knock's on each heart, and it is then up to us to open the door, and say yes Lord, please come in.

God already know's who will, and who wont,but he is not willing that any should perish.

If he knocks today do not turn away, for the time is short, and today is the day of salvation.

There may not be a tomorrow for some.

Say yes to the one who loves you so.

Creationism is a hotly debated subject. Even if there were a creator, it wouldn't prove that it was the Christian God.

As for Judgment Day, what happens if the God you worshipped isn't there and it is another one? Assuming there are 500 religions in the world, you dismiss 499, I dismiss 500--we are not that far from each other!

As for personal witness, I am happy for you. I would inform you that people from other religions or no religion at all also have positive personal experiences that validate their beliefs.

July 26, 2006

It's your choice , and you alone will have to deal with the consequenses.

Yes there are many god's, but there is ONE true God.

No other than Jesus has proved his validity by dying,and rising from the dead.

No other......

I know he lives for he spoke to me audibly and saved my life,and a friends

I know he live's by the witness of the word, and those who were martyred for their faith.

No man will choose to die as they did except for the truth.

I know he is the true God, for no other book has proved it's validty by ALL prophecy being fullfilled to the letter.

He is the way, the truth and the life.

No man can come to the Father ,but by him.

He alone Loved so much he paid the penalty for your sin ,and mine, and yes rose again to show the acceptance

by the Father.Those who were witnesses of these things,are stronger witness than all the history books ever written by man, and you believe them with less evidence.

It is a shame, and a great sadness that you would rather choose to not believe, than accept the free gift of Love he offer's you.

God set's before us Life, or death.

In him is life, and that eternal......Choose life.

It's that simple for he paid the full price for you.

We have the freedom to make our own choices, but we cant choose the consequenses.......

Yes Lord in this case is eternal life, to say no, or do nothing is death.

Both everlasting.

It's your responsibility now........I will pray you truly will come to Faith in him.

sylvan3 · July 26, 2006

I know he lives for he spoke to me audibly and saved my life,and a friends

I am happy to hear that.

Arjuous · July 27, 2006

Everything in this world is ruled by scientific principles.

So you are saying that every thing that has ever occured can be explained on the basis of scientific principles alone?

Well yes. If you would counter that by asking if I believed in miracles, it gets a bit dicey. I don't have the evidence to comment on miracles, in either direction. I actually think we could prove with scientific methods in place if the did exist, but there's no way for me to know what would be concluded. Either way I think it's a little besides the point. The universe operates according to scientific principles, anyone can experiement with this. If you're saying that God controls the universe, this can only be true if he created the same unchanging principles. If he did great, if not, that's fine too, it really doesn't affect my worldview at all. The presense of a 'God' character isn't necessary to define any of the experiences we have as a society and as individuals.

followerofjesus · July 27, 2006

Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for (AK)the tree is known by its fruit.

34"(AL)You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? (AM)For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.

35"(AN)The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.

36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in (AO)the day of judgment.

37"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it

sylvan3 · July 27, 2006

Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for (AK)the tree is known by its fruit.
34"(AL)You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? (AM)For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.

35"(AN)The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.

36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in (AO)the day of judgment.

37"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it

Somehow from that am I supposed to feel badly because I would like scientific, empirically valid proof of God's existence? What could possibly be wrong with that? Have not our greatest advancements as humans come as a result of the scientific method? This is evil?

Of course, this gets back to the original point of the thread. That is, why would God wait until Judgment Day to provide the "real" evidence of heaven or hell? Supposedly, it is at that point that the determination is given to go to heaven or get tossed into the lake. One could extrapolate that the empirical evidence would be clear at that point. In other words, the sign would be given.

This sounds quite unbelievable coming from a purported "loving" God. In other words, while on Earth, God doesn't want to give scientific proof that would actually firmly shore up someone's beliefs (most humans like scientific proof). However, he will be perfectly happy to give that proof after it's too late on Judgment Day.

I can't believe in a God like that.

Edited July 27, 2006 by sylvan3

July 27, 2006

Of course, this gets back to the original point of the thread. That is, why would God wait until Judgment Day to provide the "real" evidence of heaven or hell? Supposedly, it is at that point that the determination is given to go to heaven or get tossed into the lake. One could extrapolate that the empirical evidence would be clear at that point. In other words, the sign would be given.

Look around you my friend, and you will see all the evidence you can grasp.

Science has only understood a small amount of the miracle of creation that has been there all the time.

Science hasn't done anything to create what you see with your eye even, let alone the wonder of what we dont see.

Evidence has been there from the very beginning. It is only the blindness of the heart that decieves the soul into unbelief, and that come's from satan alone.

The Bible say's the fool has said in his heart there is no God!

Dont be a fool any longer.......He is patient and long suffering, not willing that any should perish! Even you, that is why he is waiting.

Today is the day of Salvation.

Believe, then you will see.

The world say's ," I'll believe it when I see it!" and they go blindly into a Godless eternity.

God say's come unto me all you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest for your soul." Matthew 11:28

The Spirit says, Believe, and your eyes will be opened, and you will see.

Without the spirit of Christ in you, you cannot understand, and you will not see, because you are spiritualy discerned.

In other words you cannot understand spiritual things until you have his spirit in you.

The only way you can recieve his spirit is to ask from a true heart, and I pray you will soon do that.

Behold He stands at the door,and knocks, if any man will open the door, I will come in, and sup with him,and he with me.

Faith comes first, then you will see.

Try it, let God prove himself to you, the world and science can not!

Once again ,it is a choice you have to make, he is a gentle man and will not force the door open.

He created you with a free will, and he will not go against that.

Gods spirit will not alway's strive with man.

Dont harden your heart today....it may be there will be no tomorrow.

God is knocking at your hearts door today. let him come in, then you will see.

Edited July 27, 2006 by Gamin

Leonard · July 27, 2006

Once again you show the hauteur that I have come to expect from a Leonard post. Possibly, you would like to list all of your degrees and the institutions where you have taught.

Okie, Dokie:

B.A. (Religion) cum laude, and With Distinction, Ottawa University

Zabala Fellow in Theology, University of San Francisco

M.A. (Theology) University of San Francisco

I have taught in the Philosophy Department at Mesa Community College, Mesa, Arizona, and at Barclay College's Advantage Program in Denver, Colorado.

However, any insight I might have into your internalized anger against the god of your own imagination--which oddly, you identify with the Christian God--is not the result of formal education, but rather the preparation of more than 30 years of being in the Ministry, and counseling vast numbers of persons from every conceivable walk of life. I know that for someone who espouses a Materialist/Logical Positivist view, it is difficult to admit, but you have entered into the realm of shear religiosity and unfalsifiable mysticism.

Strange, isn't it; how that so often that which we deem most objectionable in others, we yet FIND hiding in ourselves?

P.S.: 'Hauteur' is such a GOOD word! I am consistently amazed to find it applied to such a humble, unpresuming, and disarmingly charming fellow like me!

P.P.S.: I only listed my degrees from, and teaching experience in, regionally accredited institutions.

billie · July 27, 2006

Hey, Leonard, I don't think you've got any...."hauteur"!

sylvan3 · July 27, 2006

Once again you show the hauteur that I have come to expect from a Leonard post. Possibly, you would like to list all of your degrees and the institutions where you have taught.

Okie, Dokie:

B.A. (Religion) cum laude, and With Distinction, Ottawa University

Zabala Fellow in Theology, University of San Francisco

M.A. (Theology) University of San Francisco

I have taught in the Philosophy Department at Mesa Community College, Mesa, Arizona, and at Barclay College's Advantage Program in Denver, Colorado.

However, any insight I might have into your internalized anger against the god of your own imagination--which oddly, you identify with the Christian God--is not the result of formal education, but rather the preparation of more than 30 years of being in the Ministry, and counseling vast numbers of persons from every conceivable walk of life. I know that for someone who espouses a Materialist/Logical Positivist view, it is difficult to admit, but you have entered into the realm of shear religiosity and unfalsifiable mysticism.

Strange, isn't it; how that so often that which we deem most objectionable in others, we yet FIND hiding in ourselves?

P.S.: 'Hauteur' is such a GOOD word! I am consistently amazed to find it applied to such a humble, unpresuming, and disarmingly charming fellow like me!

P.P.S.: I only listed my degrees from, and teaching experience in, regionally accredited institutions.

You indeed deserve credit for all the work that you put into your education.

However, in your rush to list your vitae, you glossed over my last post which made the distinction between "scientific evidence" and just plain "evidence", as you mentioned in your initial post in this thread.

Therefore, where can I find empirical, scientific proof that God, or the Christian God exists? Hopefully, that proof will also include proof that 950-year-old men and talking snakes also existed.

If you can't explain that, then please explain why God would finally provide scientific proof (in the form of burning in the lake of fire for some) on Judgment Day, as opposed to providing the scientific proof while we live on Earth.