Aliens

[Guest LCPGUY]

I never seen where aliens were mentioned in the bible, if it isnt mentioned why bother with it

Mr. Gladiator,

I think they were clearly mentioned in the Bible. Ref had this RIGHT ON!!!

Me thinks ye should read more in Genisis and Ezekiel for starters, then get back to us, OK?

Ref knows what she

[Guest 4given1]

I know I'm really sticking my neck out here, but I felt I needed to put this post here. This is a very complex and contraversial issue. That doesn't mean that we can't be given Godly insight into this though.

I personally don't know exactly what to believe at this point. I am praying and asking God for guidance about this. I just don't think we can discredit this simply because it sounds a bit odd.

I believe that this is an important issue because God tells us in His Word to watch and pray. I don't believe it's a salvation issue (which is the most important). We are not to be ignorant as Christians either. That's why God has placed people in this ministry to bring the truth to light and there are those of us who don't accept things so easily. Let's just not attack someone because something they believe is not what we believe. There are too many people out here like me who just never thought about it before.

I appreciate those who have the courage to come forward with the knowledge they have accumulated from years of study to teach others of us (as long as it's from a Godly perspective) who haven't done study in this area.

When others don't agree, that's fine. Express your opinions in love. Be honest about it, but don't attack. We must love one another in Christ.

God's love to you all,

4given1

[traveller]

Well, 4given1, then I'm stickin my neck out with ya, cause I totally agree with you.

I know that there is a lot more going on in this world and this universe and the spiritual world than I have personally been informed of.

[other one]

I never seen where aliens were mentioned in the bible, if it

[traveller]

the fallen angles that kept Michael from responding to (whoever it was) for a week was an alien..... Yep there are a lot of aliens around in the bible.

Sam

fallen angel = prince of Persia

whoever it was = Daniel

:oww:

[Guest 4given1]

Traveller,

Thankie very much for allowing your neck to join mine. The soap box can be a lonely place to stand.

God's love to you all.

4given1

[Guest ReflectionsofHim]

Blessings Everyone!

Below is a study by, from what I understand, one of the nuns that had a mass sighting just outside their convent. I don't remember the date or what state, but there was a group of nuns outside and they saw a "ufo". At that same time across town several on-duty police officers, a lawyer, councilman, and several other citizens saw it as well. Anyway, she felt convicted to seek God's Word about this phenomena and below is her articles. I've written one so much like this one that I could have written this one myself!!! But here ya go! Anywhere you see these type brackets around some text {for example} and within the text is something I've added from Scripture. So, other than this nothing else is altered except a few spelling corrections and one word that was left out by the author of these 2 short studies. I so pray that this helps, enlightens, and comforts any or all of you through our Jesus! Together we can expose the enemy and bring more to Christ. 4given1 mentioned it not being a salvation issue and she and I have discussed this. What she didn't know is that it is a salvation issue for many people actually. There are soooo many ufo cults out there and most of these people have never been saved!!! They really believe that "alien beings" are coming to earth in love and friendliness. Anything that is frightening and brings fear is not of the Lord and this phenomena does just that to many people. If any of this was the Lord He would not be scaring some or most of His children half to death. At any rate, you test it against God's Word and let the Holy Spirit be your judge!

I plant the seeds...God has the watering can!!!

Love to you all through our Jesus for He IS Lord of Lords, woohoo!!!

Ref

The Angels Who Fell From Grace (Part 1 of 2)

by Elias Eileen Freeman

When people began to multiply on the face of the ground,

and daughters were born to them, the sons of God {in the

Hebrew "sons of God" represent unholy angels. See Job...this

phrase is used again "sons of God" and it directly implies that

Satan and those that are with him, "fallen angels". This term/

phrase is only used like only 5 or 6 times tops in Scripture and they

always represent unholy entities/Satan/fallen angels each time.}

saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of

all that they chose. Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall

not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh, their days

shall be one hundred twenty years." The Nephilim were

on the earth in those days -- and also afterward -- when

the sons of God {fallen angels} went in to the daughters of men, who

bore children to them. These were the heroes that were

of old, warriors of renown. (Genesis 6:1-4)

This ancient passage has always been a problem to scrip-

ture scholars. Is this a text describing the fall of Satan &

Co., otherwise described in Revelation, or does it refer to

something else? There's no doubt that the text is serious

in asserting that some angels took on human form and

contracted apparently honorable marriages with human

women, who bore to them offspring who were neither

angels nor ordinary mortals.

The implication in the verses that follow is that this event is

what prompted God to send the Flood to wipe out all traces

of the Nephilim, the half-human, half-angel creatures. How-

ever, according to verse four, as well as Number 13:33 --

"There we saw the Nephilim; and to ourselves we seemed

like grasshoppers {meaning they are a lot of them},

and so we seemed to them." -- the Nephilim survived the

Flood. It is interesting that in Hebrew, the word nephilim means,

"those who fell, the fallen ones."

2 Samuel refers to these descendants of the angels as well:

2 Samuel 21:16 Ishbi-benob, one of the descendants of

the giants, whose spear weighed three hundred shekls of

bronze, and who was fitted out with new weapons, said

he would kill David.

2 Samuel 21:18 After this a battle took place with the

Philistines at Gob; then Sibbecai the Hushathite killed

Saph, who was one of the descendants of the giants.

{meaning they can be defeated! but the "weapons" we

use today are in Ephesians 6:10-18, "the armor of God",

which Christians should pray onto themselved each and

everyday.}

2 Samuel 21:20 There was again war at Gath, where there

was a man of great size, who had six fingers on each hand,

and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; he too

was descended from the giants.

2 Samuel 21:22 These four were descended from the giants

in Gath; they fell by the hands of David and his servants.

This account of the origin of the giants is spelled out in

enormous detail in the non-biblical book of Enoch. It tells

us that God commanded the angels not to interfere in

human affairs, but some disobeyed, led by Azazel and

Semhaza. They not only had children by human women,

but taught humans forbidden arts and magical practices.

In retaliation, God sent against them others of the angelic

host, {meaning God's holy angels who went against

the "fallen angels" and sent them to...see below}

who took them captive and bound them with chains

and put them into heavenly dungeons {this obviously speaks

for itself "dungeons" in the "heavenlies"...possible "ufos"

and/or "spaceships"??? Probable!} to await the final

judgment at the end of the age {...now this is very self-

explanatory! Who is it'almost everyone knows who

gets defeated in the end? Yes, Satan!} There they rot

in prison, unable to stir.

It is for this reason that we must separate this story of the

angels' fall from grace from the other story of the fall of

Satan; for according to religious belief, Satan and the fallen

angels are not in prison at all, but, as Peter put it, "Like a

roaring lion your adversary the devil prowls around, looking

for someone to devour." (I Peter 5:8)

This story of the angels who disobeyed God and fell from

grace persisted throughout the time when the Bible was

written, and is referred to several other times. Job alludes

to these angels four times:

Job 4:18 Even in his servants he puts no trust, and his

angels he charges with error; ...

Job 15:15 God puts no trust even in his holy ones, and

the heavens are not clean in his sight; ...

Job 25:5 If even the moon is not bright and the stars are

not pure in his sight, ...

Job 21:22 Will any teach God knowledge, seeing that he

judges the Exalted Ones? {We believers are the "will any"

meaning we are to teach others about this phenomena

based on God's Word.}

The first three passages all compare human and angelic

virtue and use various terms for the heavenly host -- angels,

servants, moon/stars, holy ones, heavens. They imply that

if even the angels commit folly, how much more so human

beings. The last uses the prhase "Exalted Ones" to refer

to angels.

The Angels Who Fell From Grace (Part 2 of 2)

by Elias Eileen Freeman

We pick up on this judgmental mode again in the psalms,

where Psalm 82 addresses the issue:

God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst

of the gods he holds judgment: "How long will you judge

unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Give justice to

the weak and the orphan; maintain the right of the lowly and

the destitute. Rescue the weak and the needy, deliver them

from the hand of the wicked." They have neither knowledge

nor understanding, they walk around in darkness; all the

foundations of the earth are shaken. I say, "You are gods,

children of the Most High, all of you; nevertheless, you shall

die like mortals, and fall like any prince." Rise up, O God,

judge the earth, for all the nations belong to you!

The belief that certain angels who had committed evil acts

on earth were in the celestial prison awaiting judgment can

also be found in the New Testament, notably in Jude and

2 Peter:

"And the angels who did not keep their own position, but

left their proper dwelling {and came to earth}. The has kept in

eternal chains in deepest darkness for the judgment of the great Day."

Jude 1:6

"For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but

cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of

deepest darkness to be kept until the judgment; and if he

did not spare the ancient world, even though he saved

Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when

he brought a flood on a world of the ungodly; ... then the

Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trail, and to keep

the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment."

2 Peter 2:4-5, 9

Scholars generally believe that these passages do not refer

to the more obvious fall of Satan, because Christian theology

believes that Satan, far from being confined in a prison, is

able to wreak havoc still on earth.

In the deuterocanonical books of the Bible that are part of

Catholic and Orthodox scripture, more references are found.

In fact, the book of Tobit has the punishment of the angels

as one of its themes.

In the account, Raphael in disguise accompanies Tobias

on a journey to recover some money and to find a wife for

him from among his kin. Sarah, who is destined to be his

bride, is plagued by the demon-angel Asmodeus, who has

slain her seven bridegrooms on their wedding nights,

apparently out of jealousy. The inference is that Asmodeus

wanted her for himself!

But Raphael makes the demon flee to Egypt, where the

text says "he bound him hand and foot." This is the same

commission given to Raphael in the book of Enoch by God:

to find Azazel -- who was a leader of those angels who

married human women -- and to bind him and cast him

into the Pit.

In the book of Judith, which recounts how a courageous

Jewish woman brought about the end of a seige that was

destroying her people, the heroine sings her triumph:

For their mighty one did not fall by the hands of the young

men, nor did the sons of the Titans strike him down, nor

did tall giants set upon him, but Judith, daughter of Merari

with the beauty of her countenance did him in. (Judith 16:6)

The sons of the Titans and the tall giants refer to the off-

spring of the Nephilim, remembered even in Judith's day.

The Wisdom of Sirach, too, remembers them:

"God did not forgive the ancient giants who revolted in their

might." (Sirach 16:7)

"God holds accountable the host of high heaven."

(Sirach 17:32)

Baruch adds: "The giants were born there (i.e., in Israel),

who were famous of old, great in stature, expert in war.

God did not choose them, or give them the way to

knowledge; so they perished because they had no wisdom,

they perished through their folly." (Baruch 3:26-28)

And Wisdom of Solomon adds: For even in the beginning,

when arrogant giants were perishing, the hope of the world

took refuge on a raft. (Solomon 14:6)

These later texts show that even in the time of Jesus it was

widely believed that some angels, defying God, had come

to earth to marry human women and have children by them

who were half human and half angel, who apparently had

many super-human qualities, yet who were mortal. The

Nephilim were supposed to, but didn't, perish in the Flood,

while the offending angels were imprisoned in chains

until the Judgment Day.

Angels and giants -- a tall story to some, gospel truth

to others.

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So Everyone,

As you can see it is quite obvious why Christians inparticular see all of this in its literal translation. These "ufos" and "aliens" fit the description in great detail and refers to the supernatural and the heavenlies as being their hang out. It is amazing how some have no problem believing in ghosts and strange happenings, but when it is put in Scriptural context they just can't seem to accept it and it's probably out of fear of its literal Truth. But those of us that serve and love Jesus have nothing to fear!!! With all the Biblical prophecy being met now according directly to Scripture, I believe the stage is set for Jesus' return any day now. Many things will transpire right at the time or just after the rapture so I personally don't get too set on believing that it will all have to happen first before He returns. Many of these things have to happen now, but not all of them. We need to keep our eyes focused on Jesus and make sure everyone of all walks is told about this amazing and Scriptural phenomena. My hat is off to those Christian ufologists who go into the true darkness of the ufo cults in the Name of Jesus in hopes of bringing one more to the Kingdom through their salvation through Jesus! I am only called to teach other Christians about this! They are the real troopers!!!

Again...love through our Jesus indeed!

Ref

"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be."

Matthew 24:37

[Guest LCPGUY]

WOW!!! Hey ReferRooo, that was great. I have always believed as you do, but now you have made be better understand why. Thanx much

GO GIRL GO!!!

In His Love,

Bro John

[artsylady]

Very interesting reading the history on all of this. I'm surprised there isn't more Bible teaching on the subject. As well, there needs to be a movie on this!!! What a concept it is - even of interest to non-believers, I would guess.

Back to the rapture, I think that if non-believers are pre-warned about this event, there will be a lot of people getting saved after the fact. You know, a lot of people probably think that Christianity began 2000 years ago and really doesn't apply to them. However, are if they are living in the days when such a spectacular occurance occurs, they will be looking for answers to life's questions and then may find themselves believing. I think it's key to prewarn people, but how do you do that? I mean, I have been warning my unsaved friends for a few years now. I simply tell them that if I'm gone and a lot of Christians are gone, we won't be abducted by aliens - we would be raptured as Christ said would happen.

Any filmmakers out there???? How about documentary makers? Anyone with access to a camcorder?? lol. Let's warn the unsaved!

One thing very wrong with Satan's plan however, is that children will also be raptured, right? How do you think they'll explain this part of it? It's easy to see them saying they took the Christians because the Christians were intolerant and close-minded, etc, etc, etc, but how will they explain how Christ took the children??

[Rick]

I never seen where aliens were mentioned in the bible, if it  isnt mentioned why  bother with it

Mr. Gladiator,

I think they were clearly mentioned in the Bible. Ref had this RIGHT ON!!!

Me thinks ye should read more in Genisis and Ezekiel for starters, then get back to us, OK?

Ref knows what she