sisterinchrist Posted August 13, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 111 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/13/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/02/1953 Share Posted August 13, 2006 Subject: A good Muslim???? Can a muslim become a good American citizen? Interesting article Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was sent to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply: Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Koran, 2:256) Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran). Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews. Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan. Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34). Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore after much study and deliberation.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish.... it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. used by permission of happy1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 13, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,218 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,942 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 13, 2006 Is this person an exception or the rule....... Or is he just a bad Muslim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted August 13, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted August 13, 2006 First of all, when we're talking about zealots and terrorists, remember that there is a semantic difference to make - "Muslims" are followers of Islam, and "ISLAMISTS" are radicals, jihadist terrorists. So, that out of the way: did you take a second to consider that most of the "no's" you noted as to why good Muslims "can't be good Americans" would also apply to Christians? Plus, the quote you attempted from the Koran was wrong (and I know because I have the book sitting open in front of me as I type). Ironically, the citation you made (I assume you were referring to the fourth sura?) refers to suicide - about how you shouldn't do it. In truth, some scholars of Islam believe that the Koran discourages the practice of taking multiple wives more than it encourages it. The passage that dictates the general policy on the subject for most of those who do take more than one wife says that a man may take up to four wives so long as he can treat them equally. And how is it possible to treat four wives equally? A few translations even make that very statement. Nevertheless, remember that freedom of religion means freedom for ALL religions, as well as for those who do not claim one (and those who claim more than one). "Say: My Lord has enjoined what is right. Turn your faces therefore towards every place where he is worshipped, and call upon him with sincere religion. As he created you, to Him you will return." - The Elevated Places (Sura 7:29) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jesusrules2007 Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 the references to all muslims being labelled as evil is in fact wrong, comin from a muslim background i know that not all muslims believe in killin non muslims, my mother is a muslim however on hearing death of any innocent civilian she is hurt. she does not think that just coz some people are not muslims that they shud be killed. As a christian i know that islam is way out there..everythin about it is hypocritical..for example a story in the hadeeth (muslim book of stories to rely on) it was quoted that there were two men...one was a devoted muslim, the other an alcoholic, when it came to facin allah the devoted muslim was sent to hell and the alcoholic was sent to heaven, upon askin why, the devout was told it was bacause when walkin along a street and seein an old lady havin difficulty holdin stuff, the alcoholic stopped to help whereas the devout didnt, causin the intellectual mind to think...well if someone is devotin their entire life to allah then they shud go to heaven not be punished for the one mistake they make..in contrast to the alcoholic who spent his life disobeyin allah and then bein forgiven for the one good deed he has done. comin back to the point..not all muslims are as seriously devoted to allah as they like to think and not many would kill innocent civilians. being a muslim restricts many from doin things that they would like to do however they feel that by followin a few orders from allah will get them to heaven. I pray for these ppl as they need prayer, they need to see the light, they need Jesus! My mum especially. Ash Jesusrules2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishcowboy Posted October 18, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,248 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 18, 2006 this very thread was started over a month ago, the answer is, NO, for there are none good, save the Father.... Islam is not a religion of peace. not in the least..... every one who is not islamic is an infidel and all infidels must be put to death.... they are also taught that it is ok to put up with some one if it will benefit them later in destroying all that is not islam.... as far as people being evil or not........ WE ARE ALL BORN INTO SIN, WE ARE ALL BORN INTO AN EVIL NATURE..... IT IS ONLY THROUGH CHRIST THAT WE ARE SANCTIFIED...... mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishcowboy Posted October 18, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,248 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 18, 2006 does anyone know who placed that bomb there???? has this guy that found it been ruled out? or just assumed he did not place it there? kind of like the guy down in Georgia, placing the back pack bomb on the side walk and then later discovering it or something like that.... maybe this guy that found it was a plant, maybe not, but will we ever really know???? mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
learningtoserve Posted October 18, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1985 Share Posted October 18, 2006 I feel that list is not very objective but compelling. I also feel that it is not fair to single out Muslims, Are we "christians" all as a whole always 100% devoted to God and fully abiding in his will, and are there not people who claim to be christians who are not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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