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ok this is not meant to be offensive to anyone

im a calvinist but i wanted to get some people veiws on why calvinism is wrong

i dont want to get anyone upset but i want to get to no the armenian point of veiw better

ty

god bless :wub:

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Did you read the Sticky thread on this discussion. both points of view are presented and then debated. Those pages would be very helpful to you since both sides speak.

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Where is it? :wub:

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Where is it? :wub:

At the very top of the doctrinal forum. It's a pinned topic.

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Because the bible itself proves calvin wrong.

What point do you want to discuss?

Calvinism has to ignore a number of verses to hold its position. Every point has failed.

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Because the bible itself proves calvin wrong.

What point do you want to discuss?

Calvinism has to ignore a number of verses to hold its position. Every point has failed.

ok first name each point and how its wrong

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Where is it? :huh:

At the very top of the doctrinal forum. It's a pinned topic.

Thanks Eric. :ph34r:

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Because the bible itself proves calvin wrong.

What point do you want to discuss?

Calvinism has to ignore a number of verses to hold its position. Every point has failed.

Every point? :wub:

So God is not sovereign and does not know the future? I'm not a Calvinist in the soteriological sense of the belief, but I think it's quite a leap to say that all points are untrue. After all, if they are, then we dive into open theism which is essentially heresy for declaring an untruth about the ontology of God.

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AK, what's ontology? ;)

Google, here I come. :wub:

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AK, what's ontology? ;)

Google, here I come. :wub:

I'll save you time...I assumed since the guy has "Theology Professor" he should understand it. :24:

Ontology is the discussion on that which is real, or about reality, what can be done in reality, etc. Thus, when I refer to the ontology of God, I am talking about the reality of God, what consists of His reality, is He limited, is He sovereign, stuff of that nature.

When someone says they are an open theist, they place God inside of our own ontology...meaning that He exists within our own limits. His reality is similar if not the same to our own. If someone says that God exists in a sovereign ontology, it means He exists in a higher reality, one different and more supreme to our own...though it may contain self-limitation it is only done so by Him Willing it. We cannot possibly begin to fathom His reality because it is infinitely above our own.

Does that help? If not, I can try to make it clearer...and feel free to ask questions as well if you don't understand something.....it only means I'm failing as a communicator. :24:

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