Rise of Fascism

[John Lennon]

I fear the rise of of a form of Christian Fundamentalist Fascism in this country. Does anyone else agree that seperation of church and state is an all important part of our consitutional rights? I can only hope that liberals and moderate conservatives can see clearly this threat to civil liberties. I have grown up believing in the individual freedoms that not too long ago I took for granted. But organizations like the Christian Coalition seem to have an agenda to impose their own idea of morality and values on the rest of us. I am very suspicious of a religious group that becomes so political in this country! And how we have stood by and let it happen...Politics and religion should never be allowed to mix. I hope we americans never see the day when the church once again becomes the strong arm of the law! Maybe I sound paranoid, but think about Nazi Germany in the early 1930's...far fetched you say? The dangerous world we live in seems to be the perfect breeding ground for religious fanatics! The silver lining to all this is so far we have a right to speak out in America and protest peacefully. Even forums such as this can be a start for these issues to be discussed.---And Now!

Edited September 4, 2006 by John Lennon

[John Lennon]

I fear the rise of of a form of Christian Fundamentalist Fascism in this country. Does anyone else agree that seperation of church and state is an all important part of our consitutional rights?

Maybe you should do some research into the constitution.

Where does the constitution even demand seperation of church and state?

the amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Yet the constitution and Declaration are dated, "In the Year of Our Lord.."(by Implication, Jesus of Nazareth), as are military documents dating back to the time of the Revolution.

I can only hope that liberals and moderate conservatives can see clearly this threat to civil liberties

Liberties? The very Declaration of Independance is founded on the notion that men are created by God! That God is the one who gives man his rights(liberties), and not man made laws or kingships.

I have grown up believing in the individual freedoms that not too long ago I took for granted. But organizations like the Christian Coalition seem to have an agenda to impose their own idea of morality and values on the rest of us.

Darn right. Moral relativism is wrong and ridiculous.

I am very suspicious of a religious group that becomes so political in this country! And how we have stood by and let it happen...Politics and religion should never be allowed to mix.

Politics and religion must of necessity be mixed. To seperate politics from religion is to be a hypocrite. After all, truth is truth and lie is lie. If you believe something (in this case religion), then you must of necessity support laws that support your beliefs.

I am suspiscuous of the Anti Christian Luciferian Union, which has no problem killing unborn children, but pushes for a law making it a crime to transport a pregnant lobster lest the babies be killed.

I hope we americans never see the day when the church once again becomes the strong arm of the law!

Better is a totalitarian government ruled by christians who merely want to see you live for God, than a democracy ruled by neo-paganistic liberals who couldn't care less if you go to hell.

Maybe I sound paranoid, but think about Nazi Germany in the early 1930's...far fetched you say?

The NAZI party can trace its root philosophy directly to Darwinian Evolution. The practice of Nazi Genocide is the direct result of Eugenics, which is simply applied darwinism. Which not-so-coincidentally, Darwinism is one of the ACLU's pet dogmas as well.

You should make sure you know what you're talking about before you start to speak, because its the ACLU that is turning America into a Neo-Nazi nation, and not the church.

The dangerous world we live in seems to be the perfect breeding ground for religious fanatics! The silver lining to all this is so far we have a right to speak out in America and protest peacefully.

Only non-christians have the right to speak out in modern America, unless the christian owns the place where they are speaking. Else the christians mic(s) are pulled at public events, etc. The christians land marks are ruled "unconstitutional" and torn down. The Christians are fired from their jobs for sharing their beliefs or questioning the darwinian/atheistic brainwashing of our youth.

It is the ACLU which censors anything they disagree with. It is the ACLU which persecutes Christians and moral decency, and forces their beliefs upon everyone by banning any opposition from public venues. It is the ACLU which is the modern NAZI party.

[John Lennon]

I am not a fan of the ACLU believe me..they seem to be trying to force Atheism! You see that is no better than trying to impose Religion. Both extremes are dangerous in a truly free society and there's a lot of hypocrisy on both sides! Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..Dead Right! Religion is not the (edit) law just because Christians say it is! Or prohibiting the "FREE' excercise thereof...People like you have a right to worship freely and preach it to other people in a church where religion belongs. Am I missing something? Whats so hard to understand that these man-made religions are just fine as long as fanatics don't push it down peoples' throats! What is morally right in one culture may not be in another..it's a small world after all is'nt it Christian? And idiots like Osama Bin Laden can't stand it! How long are we going to watch the endless bloodshed and madness until we realize religion can go too far?

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Edited September 4, 2006 by IslandRose

[Observer of dreams]

definition [fascism] a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

1st amendment of the constitution of the united states of America

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

End of story right? Not exactly...

Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter that seemed to be the igniting factor for the doctrin of seperation of church and state. Here it is.

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson

Jan.1.1802.

The funny thing is that this where the doctrine originates. Seperation of church and state is not in the constitution. Also it prevents people from excersising ANY religous activity within a government institution. This misinterperitation of Mr. Thomas Jeffersons` letter has lead to one of the most unconstitutional underpinnings of American society.

[John Lennon]

Darwin was not an atheist by the way..just for the record. But we evolved into the beautiful little monkeys we are today just like he said.

[Observer of dreams]

nothing to do with anything John try to stay on subject please

[John Lennon]

definition [fascism] a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

1st amendment of the constitution of the united states of America

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

End of story right? Not exactly...

Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter that seemed to be the igniting factor for the doctrin of seperation of church and state. Here it is.

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson

Jan.1.1802.

The funny thing is that this where the doctrine originates. Seperation of church and state is not in the constitution. Also it prevents people from excersising ANY religous activity within a government institution. This misinterperitation of Mr. Thomas Jeffersons` letter has lead to one of the most unconstitutional underpinnings of American society.

[John Lennon]

definition [fascism] a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

1st amendment of the constitution of the united states of America

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

End of story right? Not exactly...

Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter that seemed to be the igniting factor for the doctrin of seperation of church and state. Here it is.

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson

Jan.1.1802.

The funny thing is that this where the doctrine originates. Seperation of church and state is not in the constitution. Also it prevents people from excersising ANY religous activity within a government institution. This misinterperitation of Mr. Thomas Jeffersons` letter has lead to one of the most unconstitutional underpinnings of American society.

Exactly..prevent religious activity within government. Look at the power the Taliban had over it's people in Afganistan and see the danger it poses. Edited September 4, 2006 by John Lennon

[John Lennon]

definition [fascism] a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

1st amendment of the constitution of the united states of America

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

End of story right? Not exactly...

Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter that seemed to be the igniting factor for the doctrin of seperation of church and state. Here it is.

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson

Jan.1.1802.

The funny thing is that this where the doctrine originates. Seperation of church and state is not in the constitution. Also it prevents people from excersising ANY religous activity within a government institution. This misinterperitation of Mr. Thomas Jeffersons` letter has lead to one of the most unconstitutional underpinnings of American society.

Exactly..prevent religious activity within government. Look at the power the Taliban had over it's people in Afganistan and see the danger it poses.

[John Lennon]

There is no right to privacy written into the Constitution but I think it should have been. I really do, it's not perfect but it's all we have to preserve our eroding freedoms before it's too late.