A question from a Christian to a non-believer

[SoulGrind]

It is not the athiest attacking, it is the enemy. Remember we have a true enemy and he is hitting harder and harder, he has but a short time left

Satan must be getting nervous - and the best part - even he doesn't know when God plans to return! Talk about your ultimate surprise attack!

Glory to God!

[StewartP]

Also, it's not personal. When atheists argue about the apparant contradiction between free will and predestination, or get stuck into the logic of the flood (how many animals, where did all the dung go etc etc) they are not attacking YOU, the person. Christians always say "hate the sin, love the sinner". Maybe atheists could say "hate the religian, love the christian"

So let me ask you this - since it's not personal.

What if I killed your kids (or any family member for that matter)?

Would you take it personally?

Why should you - I didn't attack you...

That has got to be one of the most illogical analagies I've ever come across.

You feel that a discussion about theology is analagous to murder.

[SoulGrind]

That has got to be one of the most illogical analagies I've ever come across.

You feel that a discussion about theology is analagous to murder.

Oh my gosh! Do I have to spell it out for you?

Ok - We have two football teams...

Team 1 decides they don't like the quarterback of Team 2, so they send a linebacker to take him out.

Who does this hurt? Team 2 or the the quarterback of Team 2?

Obviously it hurts the quarterback, but more importantly, it hurts the TEAM!

So yes, when you attack one Christian, you attack them all (the Family, the Team, the Church, etc.)

Jeese Blooee Louise! What part of this don't you understand?

It's absolutly amazing you can understand the "theory of evolution", but not such a simple concept of hurt me, hurt my family. Did common sense die off during the evolutionary process?

Edited October 17, 2006 by SoulGrind

[SoulGrind]

Jeese Blooee Louise! What part of this don't you understand?

It's absolutly amazing you can understand the "theory of evolution", but not such a simple concept of hurt me, hurt my family. Did common sense die off during the evolutionary process?

I appologize - I'm getting a bit of a salty mouth here...

Edited October 17, 2006 by SoulGrind

[StewartP]

Where did these laws originate from? The original moral code - the 10 Commandments.

So before Moses got the 10 commandments (which 10? There are 2 DIFFERENT sets in Genesis) there were no moral codes?

Hammurabi had his commandments way before Moses.

As for homosexuality - let's look at this from a "mechanical" viewpoint. If you have a stereo system, you obviously have many wires and cables. Each one has "male" and "female" parts. They were designed to "fit" together. It's rather logical if you ask me.

If you have a car, you fill the gas tank up by plugging the pump hose into the gas filler neck. When you drive, exhaust comes out the tailpipe. You wouldn't fill you car up from the tailpipe - it has no benefit. You wouldn'texpect exhaust to come out the filler neck - that would impose a problem.

The human gentiles have a specific (intelligent) design and purpose. The penis was designed to penetrate the vagina. The anus was designed as an exhaust pipe. If we analyse the "plumbing" (you're taking a biology class, so you know what I am saying is true), then we realize the truth of these statements.

As for the moral implecations of homosexuality - it's quite obviousl from a mechanical standpoint as to why it "shouldn't" be done. And if the "designer" didn't intend for the mechanics to behave in such a fashion, then why are we trying to force it to work that way? I'm sure the mechanic is shaking his head sayin "You imbecile - that doesn't go THERE! It wasn't designed to do that!"

This same logic means that the penis must ONLY penetrate the vagina. So oral and anal sex between man and wife are out of the question. Because it's the "wrong plumbing"

duh!

Man I can see me getting banned for this thread, but I'm only following SoulGrind's logic and using the same language.

[StewartP]

Oh my gosh! Do I have to spell it out for you?

Ok - We have two football teams...

Team 1 decides they don't like the quarterback of Team 2, so they send a linebacker to take him out.

Who does this hurt? Team 2 or the the quarterback of Team 2?

Obviously it hurts the quarterback, but more importantly, it hurts the TEAM!

So yes, when you attack one Christian, you attack them all (the Family, the Team, the Church, etc.)

Jeese Blooee Louise! What part of this don't you understand?

It's absolutly amazing you can understand the "theory of evolution", but not such a simple concept of hurt me, hurt my family. Did common sense die off during the evolutionary process?

So "kill your kids" has now been downgraded to "taking out the quarterback"

I can see you really DO take this personally don't you? Perhasp you shouldn't discuss things where you'll hear concepts that you are opposed to if you see them as being the same as physical assault.

ETA: SoulGrind your apology re: language and my last post passed each other in the ether.

We do need to step back a pace and count to 10

Edited October 17, 2006 by StewartP

[SoulGrind]

So before Moses got the 10 commandments (which 10? There are 2 DIFFERENT sets in Genesis) there were no moral codes?

The only set of 10 commandments I know of is the OT - the first set broke when Moses threw them at the crowd at the base of Mt. Sinai. So God created a second set. Same commandments - different stones.

Hammurabi had his commandments way before Moses.

And what does this have to do with the Christian "moral" code that the United States legal system is based upon?

I don't see us putting out right hand on Hammurabi's bible in a court of law.

This same logic means that the penis must ONLY penetrate the vagina. So oral and anal sex between man and wife are out of the question. Because it's the "wrong plumbing"

To be honest - I do not know (at this time). But I am sure some scouring of the scriptures would reveal these answers.

If anyone already knows the Biblical passages that refer to oral sex and sodomy, please quote them, otherwise I will post them later if I can find them - I know there is a passage instructing us to avoid sodomy - And knowing that we have thousands of different bacteria the live in the rectum, I would have to agree that God knew what he was doing when he said to not use that orofice for sexual intercourse.

Man I can see me getting banned for this thread, but I'm only following SoulGrind's logic and using the same language.

I would truly have a hard time believing that you would be banned so long as the conversation lacked vulgarity, and secular slang in regards to body parts. The minute you do that, then you are no longer using the same language I am using.

[SoulGrind]

Why are you arguing with me? I don't do that- I never had any bad experience with religion. I thought you were asking an honest question and gave a honest answer. Sorry.

I didn't say YOU had a bad experience. You said SOME had a bad experience. We're talkign GENERALIZATIONS here.

Do you or do you not agree that because of 1 bad experience, that all thing related must be bad?

Creationism is not science. Evolution is.

But Evolution has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Therefore, it's as much of a "faith-based" argument as the Biblical account of creation.

[SoulGrind]

Hammurabi didn't write a bible. He wrote a law code. FYI.

He was an ancient Mesopotamian king.

You truly are anal-retentive. It was metaphore. Now I am beginning to understand why some people don't understand the Bible - the don't understand metaphore.

You have been helpful - thank you.

[SoulGrind]

Yes, and it is your right to believe that. Myself, I'm a polygamist, and wouldn't mind sharing my wife with another man, as long as she asked me first. (The same works the other way, I don't believe that anyone should mandate what goes on in a relationship.)

"as long as she asked me first"

I digress...

I would ask that you respect my right to live whatever lifestyle I live by- and as long as you do, I have nothing against you and will respect your right to live your own lifestyle.

That's fine - that's what I meant by tolerate - but when you ask a Christian about their moral code, and they tell you, and you disagree, then let it go. If you walk away - we're not going to follow you and stalk you until you agree with us. You've made your choice. Fine. So be it.

There are no negative repurcussions of a homosexual relationship. None. Mechanical compatability is completely irrelevant. You're arguing apples and oranges. Milk wasn't designed to be squirted out one's nose either- does that mean that it is wrong to do so?

No negative reprocusions? So you think little children, growing up in a society where there is so much confusion as it is really needs another topic such as homosexuality to confuse them about their own sexuality?

What a person does with his or her own body is his or her own business. Not yours. Not mine. Certainly not religion's.

You are quite right about you or me not having rights into someone else's bedroom... I totally agree with you. But from a Christian standpoint, it's imoral. You don't want to abide by the Christian standards or morality - that's fine - don't. As you said, you don't have too. But, should you decide to choose the path of Christianity, then these are things you must give up - otherwise you would never be a Christian. And I'm not saying you want to be Christian - it's obvious that you loath Christianity.

It's up to you if you want to believe that homosexuals are icky, wrong, sinful, etc., but if you attempt to discriminate against them using law, then I have beef with you. Homosexuals deserve the right to live whatever lifestyle they want to without legal discrimination (It is still illegal to practice sodomy in many states, and people are prosecuted for it).

I never said anything about discrimination. As a Christian, I must TOLERATE all beliefs - I just don't have to agree with them and participate with them.