The Antichrist Will Never Rule Over America

[HAZARD]

Hi tmrfiles.

I have never ever said that the USA, and many other countries of the world would not be affected in some way by future tribulation. What we can say with authority, backed up by Scripture is that the USA will not be "ruled" by the Antichrist!

L.T wrote;

"Without getting into the "conspiracy" the world is already divided up into 10 "global regions" which will be ruled over by 10 directors.

Sort of fits don't it"

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It may well sort of fit our perceptions, but it does not fit at all with Scripture does it.

Haz.

[Smalcald]

Hi Hazard,

What versus in scripture give you the conclusion that the old first Roman Empire will be the province of the AntiChrist?

[HAZARD]

Hi Hazard,

What versus in scripture give you the conclusion that the old first Roman Empire will be the province of the AntiChrist?

He will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44).

Haz.

[HAZARD]

Haz said

Hi tmrfiles.

I have never ever said that the USA, and many other countries of the world would not be affected in some way by future tribulation. What we can say with authority, backed up by Scripture is that the USA will not be "ruled" by the Antichrist!

Hi Haz:

I realize you never said that the USofA would not be affected by the antichrist, and I apologize if I gave you that impression; but I was just wondering if you had any ideas, since you do not think the USof A will be ruled by the antichrist during the great tribulation period, where do you see America in God's plan in all of this?

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America will be one of the many countries which will escape the Antichrists rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territoryand never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so. The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

The ten kingdoms are to be formed inside the old Roman Empire from the present states in that territory. It is clear that there will be at least another war in Europe, Asia, and Africa in order for this to be fulfilled. When the ten kingdoms are formed, then Daniel 7:23-24 will be fulfilled. These ten kingdoms will be the Revised Roman Empire which is symbolized by the ten toes on the great image of Dan. 2, the ten horns on the fourth beast of Dan. 7:7-8, 19-24, the ten horns on the dragon and the beast of Rev. 12, 13, and 17. This formation of the ten kingdoms will be necessary to fulfill both Dan. 7 and 8.

I suppose America will do what it has always done. She will support those she is aligned with at the time. Scripture also shows that the Arabs will protect Israel during the last three and one half years of this age. In Dan. 11:41 we read that Arabia or ancient Edom and Moab will escape the Antichrist. In Isa. 16:1-5; Ezek. 20:33-35; Matt. 24:15-21; Rev. 12:5-7 we read of Israel fleeing for protection into the wilderness of Edom and Moab, and since they escape the Antichrist and flee into this country for protection, then it is clear that the Arabs protect them during this time. The Bible names the very city in Edom and Moab that israel will flee to for protection during the tribulation. It is Sela or Petra, the capital of Edom (Isa. 16:1-5; 26:20-21; 63:1-8).

[other one]

Rev 13:1-9

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying,"Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.

7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Well, I don't speak of the antichrist for neither does Daniel or Revelation...... but it clearly says that everyone who dwells on earth will worship him and go to hell........ Unless your name is written in the Book of Life.

So I would disagree that the United States will not follow under the rule of the beast.

I would agree that the ruler of one of the sub nations which may very well be the rivived Roman Empire, but the beast will be here..... there and everywhere and you will not escape it unless you are in the Book of Life.

That should be our goal and our worry...... are you in the Book of Life...... if so don't worry about it the worst thing they can do is torture you and your family and cut off your head....... a hundred thousand years from now it won't matter.l

Sam

[Guest BombShelterBob]

Rev 13:1-9

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying,"Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.

7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Well, I don't speak of the antichrist for neither does Daniel or Revelation...... but it clearly says that everyone who dwells on earth will worship him and go to hell........ Unless your name is written in the Book of Life.

So I would disagree that the United States will not follow under the rule of the beast.

I would agree that the ruler of one of the sub nations which may very well be the rivived Roman Empire, but the beast will be here..... there and everywhere and you will not escape it unless you are in the Book of Life.

That should be our goal and our worry...... are you in the Book of Life...... if so don't worry about it the worst thing they can do is torture you and your family and cut off your head....... a hundred thousand years from now it won't matter.l

Sam

If things go right for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and it looks like they are, Islam will make it happen.

[other one]

That is not in the illuminist's plans in the way they are trying to brng in the beast system, but we'll see how it works out. Who knows what Jeusu and our Father has planned for us.

[HAZARD]

Rev 13:1-9

Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying,"Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.

6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.

7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Well, I don't speak of the antichrist for neither does Daniel or Revelation...... but it clearly says that everyone who dwells on earth will worship him and go to hell........ Unless your name is written in the Book of Life.

So I would disagree that the United States will not follow under the rule of the beast.

I would agree that the ruler of one of the sub nations which may very well be the rivived Roman Empire, but the beast will be here..... there and everywhere and you will not escape it unless you are in the Book of Life.

That should be our goal and our worry...... are you in the Book of Life...... if so don't worry about it the worst thing they can do is torture you and your family and cut off your head....... a hundred thousand years from now it won't matter.l

Sam

The question often arises, "Will the Antichrist have power over all kindreds, tongues, and nations, and will all that dwell on Earth worship him?" While this can generally be answered in the affirmative, still much depends on what is meant by all. If all is used in the most inclusive sense and is meant to include every individual in the known world today, we can say that he will not have this power, but if it is taken to mean all that God has in mind-the latter day ten kingdoms of old Rome--we can say that all will include all affected by the decree made by the Antichrist in his empire.

The following points from scripture prove that the Antichrist will not rule America or be a world wide dictator as many students of prophecy teach.

1. The word all in Rev.13 is simply part of the figure of speach called "synecdoche" in which a part is used for a whole and a whole for a part. It is frequently used in scripture as in the following examples:

1."I even I do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherin is the breath of life, from under heaven; and EVERY THING that is in the earth shall die" (Gen.6:17). If we look at this literally as men do Rev.13, we would have Noah and his family and all the animals in the ark dead, for they were also under the Heaven and in the earth and yet did not die.

2. " And they utterly destroyed ALL THAT WERE IN THE CITY, both men and women" refering to the people in Jerico when the wall fell, but "all" here must be understood in a limited sense, for Rahab and all her people were spared (Josh. 6:21-25).

3. "David and ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL played before the Lord" and brought up the ark" (2 Sam.6:5,15). yet not all Israel did this, for many did not know how to play instruments and many were too young and still many more were not even gathered at that one place.

4. "Six months did Joab remain there [out of his own country] with ALL ISRAEL untill he had cut off every male in Edom" (1 Kings 11:16,17). The "ALL ISRAEL" referred to here is part of the army of Israel.

5. In Rom.1:8 Paul said, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD," but we know he meant only that the local church at Rome was known by many in the various parts of the Roman Empire. Multitudes outside of Rome, and even many inside the Empire of Rome had never yet heard of the Christian faith, much less of the local church at Rome. The same thing is true of Col. 1:23 where we read that the gospel had been "Preached to EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN" and in Rom. 10:18 it was preached "INTO ALL THE EARTH" and ''UNTO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD" The gospel has not even yet been taken to all nations, so we know the whole world was not evangelized in Paul's day.

6. In Acts 11:28 we read of a dearth [famin] "THROUGHOUT ALL THE WORLD" which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. That famin did not cover every part of the Roman Empire much less all continents and islands of the world.

Many hundreds of examples can be given to demonstrate the word ALL is used in a figurative sense of a part, so we do not need to believe that Rev.13 and Dan.7:23 means that the Antichrist of the future will literally reign over all the earth and kill all who do not take his mark.

We must, therefore, understand the way the word "all" is supposed to be understood in a particular scripture. If it means ALL in the all inclusive sense then there will be no limitations to it in the passage itself or in other scriptures on the same subject. If it means ALL of what it has reference to specifically and it is clear that it means a part of something and this is made clear in the passage itself or in other passages on the same subject, then we must be sensible to recognize the fact that ALL is not inclusive of all men on earth. For example, when Paul said of God that it was His will that "ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth" (1Tim.2:24), we know that this means ALL MEN without exception. But when we read of ALL MEN being baptized of John and in the same passage and in other passages on the subject, it is made clear that many were not baptized, then we take it as a figurative statement expressing that a great many in the region were baptized of John. We can see in both Testaments that God used universal terms in speaking of the extent of certain kingdoms and the powers of certain kings. We can also see that these terms show that only a great part of the earth was ruled by these kings and empires. We can therefore logically conclude that the extent of Antichrists kingdom and power could likewise be limited to a part of the world. Because we can find a number of scriptures limiting his power and authority to a part of the Earth, and they plainly tell us what part of the Earth will be under him and what part will not be under him then we must limit the "ALL" of Rev.13 and Dan. 7:23 to what territory he rules over and not make it universal as many prophetical students do.

[Guest BombShelterBob]

I don't know maybe it's going to be both ways, but I do know you never say never. God has historically done just what the greatest minds of the day thought he wouldn't. When the world was flooded They all thought God would never flood the world. Their was only one man that knew the truth. When Jesus came only a few saw Him for who He was. The educated, and the wise men all thought wrong. I'm just saying we should remember those of old when we start looking at any commentary on prophecy.

[HAZARD]

I don't know maybe it's going to be both ways, but I do know you never say never. God has historically done just what the greatest minds of the day thought he wouldn't. When the world was flooded They all thought God would never flood the world. Their was only one man that knew the truth. When Jesus came only a few saw Him for who He was. The educated, and the wise men all thought wrong. I'm just saying we should remember those of old when we start looking at any commentary on prophecy.

I totally agree with your take regarding how educated wise men nearly always got it wrong. But If God's Word is true, and the Bible can be trusted, we can be assured that what is in it will take place.

Haz.