Old Timer Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted November 3, 2006 COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (Reuters) - The president of the U.S. National Association of Evangelicals, who has had regular talks with the White House and vocally opposes gay marriage, resigned on Thursday after being accused of having a sexual relationship with a male escort. Ted Haggard, who denied the accusation, also temporarily stepped down as senior pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, the church said in a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 3, 2006 Haggard denies accusations altho he admits, I understand, to some. Preachers (and churches) today seem to be falling like fire from heaven. If the Haggard situation is shown to be true, it's another gargantuan embarrassment for, and major offense against, the majestic cause of Christ Jesus reminiscent of the Jim & Tammy Baker affair. Altho the NAE is a very loosely-knit organization involving a wide variety of organizations, for what it may be worth - and it should be noted, I believe - why do these nasty headlines involve so many Pentecostal/charismatic leaders across the nation? Increasing scandals re sexual affairs, counselling entanglements, questionable financial dealings, etc. tend to plague the professing church. It must surely cause grave concern to the Lord of Hosts in heaven. The coming Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:12) will certainly prove extremely interesting to say the least. Perhaps the time is very short? And, yes, too, of course, there but for the grace of God go I. http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGR Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 512 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 8,601 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/16/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/04/1973 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Haggard denies accusations altho he admits, I understand, to some. Preachers (and churches) today seem to be falling like fire from heaven. If the Haggard situation is shown to be true, it's another gargantuan embarrassment for, and major offense against, the majestic cause of Christ Jesus reminiscent of the Jim & Tammy Baker affair. Altho the NAE is a very loosely-knit organization involving a wide variety of organizations, for what it may be worth - and it should be noted, I believe - why do these nasty headlines involve so many Pentecostal/charismatic leaders across the nation? Increasing scandals re sexual affairs, counselling entanglements, questionable financial dealings, etc. tend to plague the professing church. It must surely cause grave concern to the Lord of Hosts in heaven. The coming Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:12) will certainly prove extremely interesting to say the least. Perhaps the time is very short? And, yes, too, of course, there but for the grace of God go I. http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com The intent to paint the Pentecostal denomination as being plagued on a consistent basis with sexual problems is insulting. In case you haven't forgotten, there were problems in the early church that Paul had to address that were sexual in nature! I know you seem to get a kick out of anything that demeans Pentecostals, but problems abound in every denomination, not just ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted November 3, 2006 The intent to paint the Pentecostal denomination as being plagued on a consistent basis with sexual problems is insulting. In case you haven't forgotten, there were problems in the early church that Paul had to address that were sexual in nature! I know you seem to get a kick out of anything that demeans Pentecostals, but problems abound in every denomination, not just ours. The fact is, the great disproportion of these scandals involve pentecostals. Whining that someone notices doesn't change reality. There's a reason for it, a reason you don't want to hear. The fact in this case is that Rev. Haggard is NOT a Charismatic. His church would better be described as one of those mushy 'seeker sensitive' places! You are correct that a disproportionate number of these cases involve Charismatic churches. The reason for that is that they are ALSO "independent" churches; unaffiliated with a denominational structure. In short, they are a 'one man show' and the Pastor has virtually unlimited power and authority to do WHATEVER HE WANTS: He owns the building, he owns the corporation, and there is no denominational headship to put him in check in any way. If you want to check the figures out thoroughly you will probably find that 'independent churches' of any theological stripe, have a disproportional number of this sort of problem............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagwalk Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 3, 2006 Believe me there is enough doo doo to go around. What some baptist scandal? Have a look.. (click the smiley) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagwalk Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 3, 2006 Believe me there is enough doo doo to go around. Want some baptist scandal? Have a look.. (click the smiley) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 There are scandals in all denominations. One shouldn't worry about what these scandals are doing to that particular denomination, but what it is doing to the Word of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I pray there's nothing to this, but I'll be keeping it in prayer........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marnie Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 811 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 7,338 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 76 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/06/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 3, 2006 You are correct that a disproportionate number of these cases involve Charismatic churches. The reason for that is that they are ALSO "independent" churches; unaffiliated with a denominational structure. In short, they are a 'one man show' and the Pastor has virtually unlimited power and authority to do WHATEVER HE WANTS: He owns the building, he owns the corporation, and there is no denominational headship to put him in check in any way. If you want to check the figures out thoroughly you will probably find that 'independent churches' of any theological stripe, have a disproportional number of this sort of problem............ It all comes down to accountability, doesn't it? There are some great independent churches out there, Alistair Beggs' for example, but then his church is hardly a "one man show." Good insight Leonard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansasdad Posted November 3, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,227 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/19/1964 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Not so long ago this same line of thinking was being stated about the Catholic Church, Look at all the scandals, see how this proves that the Catholic Church is corrupt. Now when this was going on how many Pentecostals stood up for the Catholic Church? Now "they" are going after the Pentecostals. I wonder if anyone will stand up for the Pentecostals, and tell "them" they are being ridiculous. OK I will. You are being ridiculous! Now who will be next on their hit list. Are we going to stand up for each other or tear each other apart. Aren't we supposed to be the body of Christ. God Bless us, we need it, Kansas Dad This has had a major edit for the first post was found offensive, that was not my intent, and for that I apologize. The message of the post is still very relevant and unfortunately still raising its ugly head further in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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