Butler Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 86 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/28/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/28/1982 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hello all! I know I should have posted this in the contravercial form but I wasnt allowed posting there. Im sure the administrators will move this soom Im certainly not trying to insult anyone here. Please excuse my ignorance in the matter but this has come up in my small group and we didnt have an answer. Ok, here we go...... How can you be a homosexual and a Christian? Do you not see it as a sin? That was a theory that we had. Doesnt being gay contradict your faith in Jesus? I mean actively living in sin without asking forgiveness and worshiping Jesus who told us to repent of uor sins seems a little strange. If there are anyone out there who can help me here I would certainly appreciate it! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightofJesus Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 362 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/04/1955 Share Posted November 7, 2006 OK I will give it try. We all sin in our walk we are not able to walk perfectly in this body. We all sin so we cannot measure what is more sinful than another sin. Sin is sin. This contaversy with Haggard has really got to me that the 'CHURCH' continally deals with 'SIN' in the pulpit as if no one else has sinned. Jesus told the Priests of His day that any that have not sinned cast the first stone. Does not matter what the sin,it all is sin. We have a tendancy to measure sin as if it is worse than other sins. All that the Lord has laid on my heart strongly is that the 'WORLD' needs to SEE the 'CHURCH' forgive this MAN and move on. We point fingers at people as if we are so guiltless of sin. That my brothers and sisters is hypocracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kittylover0991 Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 490 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 2,726 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/06/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/1990 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hey Butler! Dont' feel bad about asking about it I mean, in the Christian life we always have questions, and I've learned that as we ask questions, we learn and we have the chance to grow. Alright, how about we first start with what the bible says about homosexuality, in order to get that out on the table as to what God says: Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. Marraige, according to the bible, is between a man and a wife, and the marraige bed is one that is pure and sacred. The bible says it is an abomination for a man to lay with a man, as a man would lay with a woman. With that in mind, it is most definitly a sin. As for you question, how one can be a Christian and a homosexual, well, we are all sinners. I am not saying that it is right, but how can one be a porn addict or a drunk, and a Christian at the same time? So many times these sins come from before one is a Christian, so it becomes part of that pruning process. Many other times, however, things like drinking, or various sexual immoralities(just for example) come after we accept Christ where a Christian will "fall into" those sins and many times become hooked by them. (thinks she is sounding too serious now) Yeah, the Christian life is a constant growing process, and unfortunately, many times it hurts because the Lord is constantly removing things from our lives to draw us closer to him, to draw us closer to that perfection (if I may use that word). Homosexuality, like drinking or like pornagraphy, is a sin that the Lord deals with and works on our hearts about becuase it is just that, a sin, and more than likely, one that is extremely hard to break. That is when the whole thing comes in from Romans 6 and 7 saying that sin no longer has dominion over us, and that we can be free from sin if we've accepted Christ, which brings about the next point. Butler, you asked about if they don't see it as a sin, and the thing is, if one is not saved, why woudl it bother them? Sure, the unsaved understand right from wrong, etc, and they sometimes feel bad about doing somethign wrong, but when one is saved, there is that constant little whisper from the Holy Spirit, telling us it is wrong.... so if one is not saved, why woudl it really matter to them all that much, or at least in comparison to a Christian? As for being a Christian and living in sin without askign for forgiveness(repenting), as we've been called, that can oftentimes be the result of rebellion, leading to indifference ir backsliding. Many times in our Christian walk, there is somethign we dont' want to get rid of, and if we dotn' allow the Lord to work in that area, it is rebellion, and many times, one will get so far that they can no longer hear the Holy Spirit's voice. I am nto saying they loose their salvation, I am saying that they no longer listen to the Holy Spirit, which is a huge problem. I'm sorry, mom's callign me to get ready to get a flu shot lol so I'm soryr, but I've got to go! I hope this helps and have a good day!! Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darski Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 232 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/19/1948 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I agree that we all sin and do so quite willingly and in full awareness. Few of us really want to deal with our own sin and so, much like King David, the consequences of sin just keep splattering all over the place. Couple of points... The old mainline churches (collectively if not by individual member) have already imploded into welcoming sin and glorifying it from the pulpit. It is not surprising then that the level of apostasy is just moving through the ranks and the evangelical churches are just *perfecting the execution of linear waterfowl processes to follow suit. The church of satan has been actively and persistently praying for the downfall of specific Christian ministries. At some point, accountability and vigilance weaken and someone falls hard and far. We are on a timeline and God has the stopwatch. (*getting their ducks in a row) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishcowboy Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,248 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 7, 2006 I will answer your question, with this question.......... why are there so many thiefs that claim to be Christian? why are there so many adulterers that claim to be Christian? why are there so many liars that claim to be Christian? why are there so many people dishonoring their mothers and fathers that claim to be Christian? why are there so many people that are trying to out do their neighbors (big screen tv, super cars...)(coveting) this list can go on for a very long time..... getting down to a more simple form, even if we do not call it homosexuality, it is simple adultry......yea, really.... you see, if a man lays with some one other then his wife ( a wife being female ) he is committing adultry.. if a woman lays with some one other then her husband (a husband being male) she is committing adultry.. the Word of God tells us that anyone that is living in sexual immorality will not see the Kingdom of Heaven, that is not just those that have left the natural use of a wonderful gift God has given us, that is anyone that is sexually immoral...... satan trys every thing he can do to get a couple in bed before they are married..... and then.... after they are married, he does every thing he can do to keep them apart...... the Bible also tells us that those that are liars, will not see the Kingdom of Heaven..... can a liar repent? and come to live a Godly life? yes..... can one that is sexually impure repent and come to live a Godly Life? Yes..... the key is repenting.... a homosexual is welcomed by Christ, the person, not the sin...... the Spirit of God will convict the persons heart if we allow, but if we drive the person away, the Spirit will come against a brick wall that we have put in place around the persons heart... yea, that we have built.... the person would not be in church unless the Spirit had something to do with it..... all you folks need to think about this, if you are single and SHAKING UP, that is not a good thing... not sanctified.... common law marriage is a man thing, to justify living together, to work around the Laws of God... we are told, not just to be innocent, but we are to live a Blameless Life, to refrain from the appearance of doing wrong.... what type of witness do we put out when we are sharing an apartment or house with some one of the opposite gender???? oh, we are not doing anything........... THE APPEARANCE..... God said to us..... If you Love Me.... (if you truely, honestly Love me, ) You will (not maybe ) keep My Commandments (whichones? all of them...) why do we have to keep them? we dont, that is our choice, we can choose not to keep a single one... but if we love some one, we want to do things to please them...... i love my wife, and i do things i know will please her, not upset her..... i Love God, so I do things that i know will please Him, not upset Him.... which commandments? ALL OF THEM.... you may say, dont be so judgemental it is not me that has done the judging, the Word of God is doing the Judging, and the same measure will be used to judge me.... the Word of God...... we are also told that if we can not handle the small things of this world, how are we going to judge the angels??? we are told that no one is perfect.... absolutely right..... however.... we can ask God to remove the sin through Christ Jesus..... just cause i am an alcoholic, does not mean i still drink..... have not been drunk in about a decade.... this burden was removed, i no longer do the act of drinking.... just cause i smoked, i am an ex smoker, does not mean i still have to practice the act of smoking..... in the same way, a drug addict can be set free of the bondage of drugs, a person bound by un natural sex can be set free of that bondage. and any person with any bondage, eating, laziness, gossiping, coffee, candy, icecream, cussin.... ANY BONDAGE.... yes, drinking soda can be a form of bondage, chewing gum can also be.... but i just got to have my gum......BONDAGE.... sin is sin is sin...... mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marnie Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 811 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 7,338 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 76 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/06/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 7, 2006 Butler, We all sin, this is true. But the Bible points to certain sins as being more heinous than others (of course, it only takes one sin to get you into hell). It is a fact the the human body moves toward pleasure, whatever that pleasure may be--drugs, alcohol or sex. And pleasure is a strong force, especially for Christians who are experts at rationalizing their sinful behavior (note Haggard's lame excuse, "I was curious."). How many times have any of you said, "I'll just ask for forgiveness after I...[insert your sin of choice]." The Lord can forgive any sin, but one wonders if a believer continually returns to his gutter of lusts, just how serious is his walk with Christ in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nicholus Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 i have no problem with a homosexual wanted to come to church to find God. They are people to who have been confused by the devil. If they want a walk with God however they must be prepared to turn away from that sin. I mean completely away without even a shadow of a doubt of going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 7, 2006 I have to fervently believe that homosexuals actually PERMEATE the old-line denominational power-structures of today such as the Church of Rome, United Methodist, Presbyterian USA (which just elected a radical pro-homosexual moderator), plus the Unitarian-Universalist folk, et al. In fact, the homosexuals harbor a homosexual/lesbian church of their own making - metropolitan "free-to-be" - ie, in our books, free to be as anti-Judeo-Christian morality, anti-Christ and anti-Bible as humanly possible! Still, Jesus Christ loves them all - not their sin - and waits to give new life thru faith in His Holy Name. Check John 5:24 & Ephesians 2:8,9. http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted November 7, 2006 There is turning away and there is temptation. I agree that any sex outside of marriage between a man and a women is sin, either fornication if you are not married yet, or adultery if you are having sex with someone who is not your spouse while married (which unlike fornication would also include kissing, flirting etc with someone who is not your wife). But anyway gay sex falls into those categories. However gay sex is no worse than two heterosexual people who are living together outside of marriage and having sex, or two people who get an unbiblical or non-annulled divorce and re-marry while they are still spiritually married to their first wife, or looking at pornography, or masturbating, the list goes on. So how hard do we want to swing this hammer of judgement on those wrestling with very powerful sexual urges that attract them to the same sex? Now I totally agree there is no wiggle room in scripture, gay sex is sinful and must be repented of like all sin. But I just think we should be consistent and look at this as an issue of sexual purity, regardless of the particular sexual temptation. I do think we need to really work at sexual purity and work at helping people obtain sexual purity, and this would include people with gay sexual urges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted November 7, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I have to fervently believe that homosexuals actually PERMEATE the old-line denominational power-structures of today such as the Church of Rome, United Methodist, Presbyterian USA (which just elected a radical pro-homosexual moderator), plus the Unitarian-Universalist folk, et al. In fact, the homosexuals harbor a homosexual/lesbian church of their own making - metropolitan "free-to-be" - ie, in our books, free to be as anti-Judeo-Christian morality, anti-Christ and anti-Bible as humanly possible! Still, Jesus Christ loves them all - not their sin - and waits to give new life thru faith in His Holy Name. Check John 5:24 & Ephesians 2:8,9. http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Hi Arthur, Just a side note, Unitarians-Universalits are not Christian, they don't even claim to be apostate Christians. Their official teachings are that any belief is cool, most are agnostics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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