lifeandliberty Posted December 8, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 68 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/16/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2006 RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS AND CALENDARS - AN ENCYCLOPAEDIC HANDBOOK, 1993 Christmas Day December 25 Christmas is the day on which Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. The Roman Catholic Church designates it as a day of holy obligation on which members of the Church must attend services. Originally, the birth of Jesus was commemorated in the East on the Feast of Epiphany (January 6) but by 354, the Christmas Feast had taken hold in the West and was observed on December 25. Since the fifth century, most Eastern Orthodox Churches have celebrated the Nativity on December 25; however, some Eastern congregations, called "Old Calendarists," still use the Julian calendar and honor the birth of Christ thirteen days later, on January 7. The Armenian Church continues to celebrate "Old Christmas" on January 6. As with many traditions surrounding Christmas, the selection of December 25 as a commemoration of Jesus' birthday may be an example of the blending of Christian ideas and the pagan traditions they replaced. December 25 was the date of the Mithric observance of the "Birthday of the Invincible Sun." This also coincided with Saturnalia and the Winter solstice during the period when Mithraism was practiced in Rome. Since the day was already being kept as a holiday, Christians may have adjusted the symbolism of the day, declaring it the birthday of their "Invincible Son." According to events in the Gospel of Matthew, the date of Jesus' birth may actually have taken place much earlier in the year. The word "Christmas" means "the mass of Christ," and originated in the 11th century as a name for this feast. It was one of the most popular and universally celebrated holidays in Europe during the Middle Ages. During the Reformation, however, the celebration of Christmas began to decline in importance. Reformers engaged in complex doctrinal arguments in an attempt to prove the celebration of Christmas was unscriptural. In some countries, the Protestant reforms brought about a ban of Christmas celebrations. By the time of the Restoration in 1660, however, the celebration of Christmas as a much more secular holiday was revived in these countries. In New England, Christmas remained outlawed until the mid-nineteenth century, and in Boston classes were held in the public schools on Christmas Day until 1870, with pupils who missed school that day being punished or dismissed. The mass immigration of Irish Catholics to New England brought about the reinstitution of Christmas celebrations. _________________________________________________________________ "Christmas.", DICTIONARY OF CHRISTIANITY IN AMERICA, 1990 Both the northern European and North American custom of exchanging gifts at Christmas... are possibly related to pre-Christian celebrations at the close of the year. The celebration of Christmas has sometimes been opposed as pagan by religious leaders. New England Puritans* considered Christmas "popish" idolatry, and the Massachusetts General Court in 1659 passed an act against its celebration, though the law was repealed in 1681." _________________________________________________________________ "Christmas", THE WORLD BOOK ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 3, "C-Ch", 1997 "The first mention of December 25 as the birth date of Jesus occurred in A.D. 336 in an early Roman calendar. The celebration of this day as Jesus' birth date was probably influenced by pagan [unchristian] festivals held at that time. The ancient Romans held year-end celebrations to honor Saturn, their harvest god; and Mithras, the [sic] god of light... As part of all these celebrations, the people prepared special foods, decorated their homes with greenery, and joined in singing and gift giving. These customs gradually became part of the Christmas celebration." "In the late 300's, Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire... The popularity of Christmas grew until the Reformation, a religious movement of the 1500's. This movement gave birth to Protestantism. During the Reformation, many Christians began to consider Christmas a pagan celebration because it included nonreligious customs. During the 1600's, because of these feelings, Christmas was outlawed in England and in parts of the English colonies in America." _________________________________________________________________ "Christmas", COLLIER'S ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 6, 1992 "... The suppression of the Mass during the Reformation led to a sharp change in the observance of Christmas in some countries. In England, the Puritans condemned the celebration and, from 1642 to 1652, issued a series of ordinances forbidding all church services and festivities. This feeling was carried over to America by the Pilgrims and it was not until the nineteenth-century wave of Irish and German immigration that enthusiasm for the feast began to spread throughout the country. Objections were swept aside and the old traditions revived among Protestants as well as Catholics." _________________________________________________________________ "Christmas," COMPTON'S INTERACTIVE ENCYCLOPEDIA, 1997 THE CHRISTMAS WREATH The use of evergreens and wreaths as symbols of life was an ancient custom of the Egyptians, Chinese, and Hebrews, among other peoples. Tree worship was a common feature of religion among the Teutonic and Scandinavian peoples of northern Europe before their conversion to Christianity. They decorated houses and barns with evergreens at the new year to scare away demons, and they often set up trees for the birds in winter. For these northern Europeans, this winter celebration was the happiest time of the year because it signified that the shortest day of the year--about December 21--had passed. They knew the days would start to get longer and brighter. The month during which this festival took place was named Jol, from which the word yule is derived. Yule has come to mean Christmas in some countries. THE CHRISTMAS TREE Trees and decorations. Ancient, pre-Christian winter festivals used greenery, lights, and fires to symbolize life and warmth in the midst of cold and darkness. These usages, like gift giving, have also persisted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CHRISTMAS GIFT GIVING Gift giving is one of the oldest customs associated with Christmas: it is actually older than the holiday itself. When the date of Christmas was set to fall in December, it was done at least in part to compete with ancient pagan festivals that occurred about the same time. The Romans, for example, celebrated the Saturnalia on December 17. It was a winter feast of merrymaking and gift exchanging. And two weeks later, on the Roman New Year--January 1, houses were decorated with greenery and lights, and gifts were given to children and the poor. As the Germanic tribes of Europe accepted Christianity and began to celebrate Christmas, they also gave gifts. Excerpted from Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia Copyright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted December 8, 2006 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted December 8, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the excellent post. A couple of other items Nowhere in scripture is it even hinted that Jesus Edited December 8, 2006 by Old Timer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetycakes Posted December 8, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 162 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,867 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,122 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/23/1964 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Thanks for the excellent post. A couple of other items Nowhere in scripture is it even hinted that Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I celebrate His birthday as a thanksgiving for His coming to Earth, suffering, and dying for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted December 9, 2006 The origins of Christmas are definitely pagan. Do a search. But besides that, nowhere in the Bible are we told to celebrate the birth of Jesus, only His death, by communion. But even aside from all that, Christmas is my least favorite holiday. It's a commercial holiday when people go into debt and spend money they don't have to buy a lot of stuff people don't need and kids will forget about within a week, then they will pay for it for who knows how long. It's like an obligation they feel they have to do. Call me Scrooge. But some people really go to rediculous extremes. I know someone who is behind on her house payment and is risking losing her house, has shutoff notices, and her husband just started a new job--commision only, and hasn't had time to buile up a clientelle, yet she is getting all kinds of expensive gifts. She says her 10 year old daughter will only be a child once, and it is a "magical" time for her. And besides all that, look what The ACLU (the American chuck the law union) and others are doing to Christmas!! It's pitiful, and gets worse every year. It got a little better this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Timer Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Soapbox - Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 962 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 52 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/11/1932 Share Posted December 9, 2006 I may be wrong, but I detect that maybe you are being just a bit too cynical here, OT. Yes, Jesus' actual birthday wasn't mentioned in Scripture. But as Christians, we don't celebrate Jesus' birthday as we celebrate the birthdays of other people. Rather, we celebrate his COMING....no? Stephenwrth, Well, you are probably correct. I am a bit too cynical. Certainly we can celebrate His first coming but we (many Christians) seem to ignore His second coming, the Blessed Hope of Titus 2:13. That should be our focus! Then, too, look at how His first coming is celebrated. By the pagan practices mentioned in lifeandliberty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesusisGod2 Posted December 9, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,065 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/29/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/03/1958 Share Posted December 9, 2006 You know this debate comes up every year and quite frankly I do see why. I like waht Wendy Francisco has posetd on her website regarding the matter Some Christians decide not to celebrate Christmas because it is not technically a Biblical holiday ..because it has "pagan origins". Regardless of it's history, it is awesome that on this day, practically the whole world remembers that Jesus came to earth as a child. My birthday isn't in the Bible, but my family celebrates it. There must be some pagan holiday that happens somewhere on that day, but my family throws me a party anyway. Messianic believers sometimes don't celebrate Christmas because it isn't a traditional Jewish holiday, but I am a messianic believer who does celebrate Christmas. In fact, I could celebrate His coming everyday. Some dislike the commercialization of Christmas. Well, Paul says that even when the Gospel is promoted with questionable motives, at least the Word goes out. Did you know that Christmas actually strengthens the world's economy? What would the world's economy be like if everyone gave to others everyday like they do during the Christmas season? Christmas is the biggest party on earth - and it ought to be. We told our kids the difference between Nicholas, the historical figure credited with starting the tradition of giving on Christmas, and Jesus, who is God's Son, and who is with us today. Then, we continued the St. Nicholas tradition and the kids had just as much fun knowing the truth from the beginning. We all know that the origin of the custom of decorating a tree isn't Christian. But it's festive and beautiful. Kids love Christmas trees and when we tell them it's our way of celebrating the birth of Christ, then they associate Him with one of the most wondrous and beautiful things they see all year. I have personally NEVER met a person, Christian or non, who worships the Christmas tree. It isn't so much the day as it is the heart and spirit. Christmas is the day the world celebrates His coming, His abundance, His blessings, and His ultimate gift. I am so happy that He came. I am happy to be alive because of Him. I think we need MORE days to celebrate Him together, not fewer. The story of Scrooge is a tale of love which won out over hardness of heart. I wouldn't want the world to see me say Bah Humbug to Christmas. I am going to deck my halls, light up my house, break out the eggnog, and go for it with all my heart. MERRY CHRISTMAS! :-) WF So relax and fix your heart on Jesus and lets celebrate His life not only on the 25th of December, but evryday, for He is the giver of life and in this day in particular, many will at least think of Jesus on this day who would not have during the rest of the year. Here is the website to Rocky Mountain Mimistries. Here Great Wesite and is Hosted by Don and Wendy Francisco. This is the same Don Francisco who recorded "He's Alive" God bless and a merry Christmas to all of you In Jesus kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lovinghim4ever Posted December 9, 2006 Share Posted December 9, 2006 The origins of Christmas are definitely pagan. Do a search. But besides that, nowhere in the Bible are we told to celebrate the birth of Jesus, only His death, by communion. But even aside from all that, Christmas is my least favorite holiday. It's a commercial holiday when people go into debt and spend money they don't have to buy a lot of stuff people don't need and kids will forget about within a week, then they will pay for it for who knows how long. It's like an obligation they feel they have to do. Call me Scrooge. But some people really go to rediculous extremes. Kat, I agree with much of what you say here. Just yesterday my doctor was saying this kind of thing to me. Christmas is so commercialized that I don't look forward to this season any more. Christians should celebrate Jesus EVERY DAY and live His giving, compassionate heart EVERY DAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jwade003 Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I think Jeremiah chapter 10 should be noted. Soon after the fall of man, people began worshiping two false gods. They worshiped Baal (who represented the sun) and Ashtoreth, or Ashtoroth (was considered the moon goddess). The people would build temples to Baal and plant groves of trees called asharahs in order to worship the goddess Ashtoreth. In Christianity we are told that we are to be fruitful branches of the One True Vine. Jesus is also described as being the root of Jesse. In conclusion, I would say that God has His way of saying and doing things, and Satan always has a counterfeit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheya joie Posted December 10, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.29 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 10, 2006 I agree with much of what you say here. Just yesterday my doctor was saying this kind of thing to me. Christmas is so commercialized that I don't look forward to this season any more. I don't much look forward to grocery shopping during the christmas shopping season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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