The gap between the 69th and 70th week

[SDAinFLA]

I had a conversation a long time ago with someone regarding the 70 week prophecy of Daniel.

He went on to tell me that the 69th week was fulfilled during Bible times, but the 70th week has yet been fulfilled.

I was just wondering how do you evangelicals explain the gap in time?

This question is for informational purposes and I am not trying to persuade anyone to believe like me or to join my church.

[wordsower]

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (Daniel 9:24-27).

seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks = 69 weeks (7+60+2) During this time Jesus has finished the transgression, made an end of sins and reconcilled iniquity, we are waiting for the AntiChrist to command to rebuild Jerusalem, and make a peace treaty and blow the deal half way through the 70th week and Armeggedon to happen.

Condensed version...........helpful at all?

[Marnie]

We are inbetween the 69th and 70th week, a dispensation or age of grace. The 69th week ended with the crucifixion of Christ. the 70th week will begin following the rapture with the revelation of the antichrist.

[Floatingaxe]

We are inbetween the 69th and 70th week, a dispensation or age of grace. The 69th week ended with the crucifixion of Christ. the 70th week will begin following the rapture with the revelation of the antichrist.

[Kenna Frye]

Don't be fooled brother. This prophecy is over and done with and it most certainly does not have anything to do with Antichrist or any wild 7 year tribulation theory. This prophecy was a probationary time period for the Jews to basically get their act together as God's people. This was a period of 490 years and when the Jews completely rejected the Messiah, the gospel went to the Gentiles. That's all this prophecy is about. The last week is where the confusion starts. This last week starts when Jesus was baptized by John in 27 AD, then in the middle he dies on the cross in 31 AD, then it ends with the very first Christian Martyr who was Stephen in the book of Acts in 34 AD. Notice that the prophecy starts with a decree going out to restore Jerusalem in Ezra 7 in 457 BC. You can do the math, but that is the way this prophecy actually goes, there is no Antichrist man either, it is a system of false teaching and it is already here on this earth. God Bless.

[AnotherTraveler]

Don't be fooled brother. This prophecy is over and done with and it most certainly does not have anything to do with Antichrist or any wild 7 year tribulation theory. This prophecy was a probationary time period for the Jews to basically get their act together as God's people. This was a period of 490 years and when the Jews completely rejected the Messiah, the gospel went to the Gentiles. That's all this prophecy is about. The last week is where the confusion starts. This last week starts when Jesus was baptized by John in 27 AD, then in the middle he dies on the cross in 31 AD, then it ends with the very first Christian Martyr who was Stephen in the book of Acts in 34 AD. Notice that the prophecy starts with a decree going out to restore Jerusalem in Ezra 7 in 457 BC. You can do the math, but that is the way this prophecy actually goes, there is no Antichrist man either, it is a system of false teaching and it is already here on this earth. God Bless.

The liner thinking of the quoted reply shows a clear misunderstanding of what God does with prophecy. God often allows for multiple applications of prophecy. Jesus often said, " As it was in the days of Noah, or even as Jonah was ...ect."

God often has prophecy fulfilled in the time of the speaker and hearer of the origional prophecy, but not always... consider the sign that the king would recover was, "...a virgin shall concieve....", so this was a much later manifestation prophecy.

[Marnie]

Don't be fooled brother. This prophecy is over and done with and it most certainly does not have anything to do with Antichrist or any wild 7 year tribulation theory. This prophecy was a probationary time period for the Jews to basically get their act together as God's people. This was a period of 490 years and when the Jews completely rejected the Messiah, the gospel went to the Gentiles. That's all this prophecy is about. The last week is where the confusion starts. This last week starts when Jesus was baptized by John in 27 AD, then in the middle he dies on the cross in 31 AD, then it ends with the very first Christian Martyr who was Stephen in the book of Acts in 34 AD. Notice that the prophecy starts with a decree going out to restore Jerusalem in Ezra 7 in 457 BC. You can do the math, but that is the way this prophecy actually goes, there is no Antichrist man either, it is a system of false teaching and it is already here on this earth. God Bless.

The liner thinking of the quoted reply shows a clear misunderstanding of what God does with prophecy. God often allows for multiple applications of prophecy. Jesus often said, " As it was in the days of Noah, or even as Jonah was ...ect."

God often has prophecy fulfilled in the time of the speaker and hearer of the origional prophecy, but not always... consider the sign that the king would recover was, "...a virgin shall concieve....", so this was a much later manifestation prophecy.

The Law of Double Reference.

[Thaddaeus]

Kenya Fryre

Amen, Brother. the prophecy has long ago been fullfilled.

This whole concept of the dispensational theory is a very modern one and only made popular within the last 100 years. It is a total misunderstanding of Scripture.

The Bible clearly refutes it.

[Thaddaeus]

Cobalt 1959,

What does the Bible say? What does History say?

Seventy weeks are determined upon the holy city, but history confirms that WITHIN THE SEVENTY Jesus fulfilled the main object of all the covenants and the promises that Israel was looking forward to. In Luke 1 it is made very clear that the coming of the Messiah is caught-up in the promise of the Abrahamic covenant, while the gospels make clear that Jesus also fulfilled the Davidic covenant: both are synonymous. The phrase UPON THE HOLY CITY has a much deeper significance than the Dispensationalists suppose, then, for WITHIN THE SEVENTY the promise to Abraham is fulfilled.

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews 11:9-10

This very event happened WITHIN THE SEVENTY and the author of Hebrews confirms this again.

But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn and to God the Judge of all, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24

In order for the remnant of Israel according to the election of grace to enter the HOLIEST OF ALL, heavenly Jerusalem, the way had to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the HOLIEST OF ALL was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Hebrews 9:7-8

The Holy Spirit signifying by this that the way of the Holies has not yet been made manifest, the first tabernacle still HAVING STANDING Hebrews 9:8.

Scripture is clear that at the precise moment in which we were able to come to the heavenly Jerusalem synchronized with the time in which the earthy temple LOST ITS STANDING. When the word STANDING is used in this context it DOES NOT have the common meaning of the temple being whole or erect but takes on the lawful meaning of: a position from which one may assert or enforce legal right and duties. This is exactly what is substantiated in the last chapter when the same author wrote: WE HAVE AN ALTAR, WHEREOF THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO EAT WHICH SERVE THE TABERNACLE. Hebrews 13:10

Consequently, try as the Dispensationalists may they cannot overcome the clear evidence that the phrase UPON THE HOLY CITY has a much deeper significance than the Dispensationalists suppose! The seventy weeks denotes the time in which the earthly temple lost its STANDING, lawful rights to minister, and the promise is fulfilled to Israel, the remnant according to the election of grace, to come to heavenly Jerusalem, which was the promise to Abraham, Isaac, his seed, and Jacob. It is HEAVENLY JERUSALEM that becomes the object of the prophecy for the fulfillment of the promise to come to her falls squarely WITHIN THE SEVENTIETH WEEK. This is exactly what the phrase AND TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY must also apply to.

While the phrase AND TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY in applicable to Jesus it is also applicable to the anointing or consecration of the heavenly sanctuary for it was necessary that the earthly sanctuary as well as the high priest be anointed before the sin sacrifices commenced. Exodus 30:30; 40:9. Consequently, type must meet anti-type and both Jesus and the HOLIEST OF ALL required consecration for the atonement for sin.

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Hebrews 1:9 Now he which establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God. 2 Corinthians 1:21. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. Hebrews 7:28

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God. Hebrews 10:20-21

The earthly sanctuary and all therein was anointed or consecrated to minister and, as we see, above, so must the living stones upon that temple. Again we see that the first covenant lost standing in the declaration of Paul concerning the law.

And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, TILL the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:17, 19

The issue with Paul in Galatians is his contention with the Judaizers over the law. The text above denotes that the law was added TILL Jesus fulfills the promise. Paul continues on this theme and ultimately states that those under the law ultimately represent Hagar who was promised Arabia by the Most High this too being a covenant. Sinai is in Arabia!

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar. For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. Galatians 4:23-25

Therefore the Mosaic covenant is affiliated with Sinai by Paul and those who remain under it have returned to Arabia never to enter the promise land but to fall in the wilderness. There is no doubt that the first covenant, the Mosaic, lost its standing along with the earthly temple. In no capacity can the phrase UPON THE HOLY CITY pertain to any earthly temple in a temporal city.

"Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:21, 23-24

Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. FOR HERE have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. Hebrews 13:12-14. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10

Hebrews is clear that the first covenant ended and the sacrifices and oblations under the Mosaic covenant were finished and abrogated at the cross. It is this central theme that is part and parcel to the prophecy in Daniel that totally vanquishes the presumption of a third physical temple.

Christ also stated that this new temple, would be destroyed and built again in 3 days.

History, secular history bears out all the events depicted in the vision of Daniel. The Fall of Jeruselem in 70 AD is the end of the prophecy and all has been fulfilled. Only the very last few verses deal with the very end of time and Christ's second coming.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:10-13

In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. Hebrews 10:6-9

This pertained to the remnant of Israel according to the election of grace which is also the church. Romans 11:1-5; Ephesians 2:11-22.

Before the cross Jesus and His Son did not dwell in man. The only place that man could meet with Divinity was before the mercy seat in the most holy of the physical temple. That is not to say that Jesus is not ubiquitous, but that His temple of earth was confined to one physical local. It also must be confirmed that Jesus's person did not reside in temples made with hands; His seat and throne are in the heavenly sanctuary of which the earthy were only shadows and patterned after.

The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. Psalms 11:4

What was present in the physical temple was Jesus' Spirit for he made it clear through the prophets that he did not dwell in temples made with hands. All this was changed at the cross.

Since the time of the cross any believer can come before the throne of the Most High at anytime, anywhere because we are the temple and the Spirit of Chist and His Son now abides in us. While Christ's throne is still in the heavenly sanctuary we no longer have to go through a physical temple to come before Him and His Son.

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth UNTO AN HOLY TEMPLE IN THE LORD: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Ephesians 2:21-22

For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Corinthians 3:9, 16

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Corinthians 6:16

We, the church are the only representation of Christ's HOLY TEMPLE on this earth in this dispensation of grace and there is to be no other because the cross abrogated the Mosaic covenant.

[LadyRaven]

I had a conversation a long time ago with someone regarding the 70 week prophecy of Daniel.

He went on to tell me that the 69th week was fulfilled during Bible times, but the 70th week has yet been fulfilled.

I was just wondering how do you evangelicals explain the gap in time?

This question is for informational purposes and I am not trying to persuade anyone to believe like me or to join my church.

There is no precident in all of biblical interpretation that I am aware of that gives anyone license to stop the prophetic clock. Hence it didn't stop.