Satanic and Demonic Objects in Your Home

[LossForWords]

Marnie...this post has already been shot once...but it must have only been a flesh wound because they re-opened it. Nobody is really changing their opinions, it's still going around in a never ending circle.

I'd like to know where you guys are coming up with the myth that gnomes were used for evil purposes? It's folk lore, started hundreds of years ago. Same goes with fairies, elves, dwarfs, brownies, goblins, trolls, leprachauns, etc. Where do you find in history that fairies or gnomes were ever worshiped as idols?

I'll give you the Ouija board because it was something created for an evil purpose, to communicate with the dead. But fairies and gnomes? They're make believe! Yeah some people are going to actually believe the story and go out on a gnome hunt...but if some one is walking down the side walk, the majority of the people are not going to think that a magical gnome has suddenly appeared in the garden. They know it's decoration!

If you took a poll, I am sure the majority of the people in the world would not think that a garden gnome is a satanic object.

[Vickilynn]

Marnie...this post has already been shot once...but it must have only been a flesh wound because they re-opened it. Nobody is really changing their opinions, it's still going around in a never ending circle.

I'd like to know where you guys are coming up with the myth that gnomes were used for evil purposes? It's folk lore, started hundreds of years ago. Same goes with fairies, elves, dwarfs, brownies, goblins, trolls, leprachauns, etc. Where do you find in history that fairies or gnomes were ever worshiped as idols?

I'll give you the Ouija board because it was something created for an evil purpose, to communicate with the dead. But fairies and gnomes? They're make believe! Yeah some people are going to actually believe the story and go out on a gnome hunt...but if some one is walking down the side walk, the majority of the people are not going to think that a magical gnome has suddenly appeared in the garden. They know it's decoration!

If you took a poll, I am sure the majority of the people in the world would not think that a garden gnome is a satanic object.

Shalom LFW,

Just a comment on your last statement.

If you took a poll, I am sure the majority of the people in the world would not think that a garden gnome is a satanic object.

We are not told to take a poll and do what others believe. We are told to walk according to our G-d and His ways, whether anyone else agrees or not. So, what the majority of people in the world believe has NO bearing on what we are to do as followers of Jesus. Our authority is G-d, not the opinions of others.

And, for those who understand Magik, gnomes and faeries are anything but innocent!

Next, Emily Anne posted some references for Wiccan beliefs specifically worshiping gnomes and faeries as idols. Of course they are not real, who said they were? They are mythical creatures, worshiped as idols. More reason for Christians to avoid them and remove them if they have them.

If you read Ovedya's post, he says why it was re-opened and that is because it is important to some members.

I have re-opened this thread as it appears to be a subject of some concern to our posters.

I've done my best to clean it up without getting rid of what I believe are some very valid points regarding Christians and superstition, but I would like also to remind everyone that has posted here that we are all brothers and sisters in the Lord. We would all do well to remember Paul's words in 1 Cor. 10:23-33. Although some of us may have a clear conscience with regard to material objects, others regard them as stumbling blocks. The point then is to make concession for one another rather than using such matters as weapons of war.

I'll state again about the mockery in this thread and say again that if some of our Brothers or Sisters find this topic important, we should not mock and poke fun. It is not Scriptural behavior. If it isn't important to US, we should not sabotage the thread but let the ones who feel strongly about it discuss in peace, rather than mock and disdain those who hold these convictions.

[MeCajunboy]

Introduction

We all have things within our homes that we know off and some that are hidden from us, long forgotten or its history unknown. Just how many of those things are honouring to God? How man of these things are as innocent as they seem, they could well be harboring bad spirits by creating a bad atmosphere and creating disharmony within the home. Here are my thoughts as to what we posses in our home, how we perceive them and what God most likely thinks of them.

Satan's Perversion of Gods Creation for Evil

Anything can be used for an evil purpose or be incorporated into occult ceremonies or spell casting. For example spells are often recorded on to a cassette tape, the tape is then spooled off and wrapped around objects, anchored to bottom of streams etc or simply left in certain places. This doesn

[minnow]

Today is Thursday the 7th of June 2007.

As can be seen on Wikipedia, Thursday is named after "Thor (Old Norse:

[Marnie]

Marnie...this post has already been shot once...but it must have only been a flesh wound because they re-opened it. Nobody is really changing their opinions, it's still going around in a never ending circle.

yeah.

I'm looking over a four-leaf clover

That I overlooked before.

One leaf is sunshine, the second is rain,

Third is the roses that grow in the lane.

No need explaining, the one remaining

Is somebody I adore.

I'm looking over a four-leaf clover

That I overlooked before

[AndrewA]

I can see why this thread is descending into farce yet again. And a number of you are desperately trying your best to bring the thread to a close again by making stupid joking and flippant comments with no regard what so ever to engage in civil debate and discussion. I had hoped that with 16+ pages to this thread we would have made more progress with a number of issues and topics but some people obviously have other ideas.

First off, Fairies, which include leprechauns banshees gnomes, elves dwarfs and whole load of other names depending on which part of the world they come from, are not simply just a few centuries old that appeared first as stories. many people who believe in fairies, believe in the theory that they are fallen angels that fell to earth when they were thrown out by God, which isn

[AndrewA]

I had hoped to address a number of other issues, I am surprised about the number of dismissive comments about a large number of things I raised. I understand that certain items such as books can create an unhealthy obsession or interest which in turn can create footholds for Satan etc, I am more than aware of footholds and strongholds etc and how to deal with them, however what about the so called innocent objects?

I have heard a number of accounts, and indeed had personal experience of seemingly innocent items that were not. for example is a Christian family purchased an innocent looking picture placed it pride of place in front room, however bad things started to happen in the home, cut a long story short on closer examination the picture contained a number of occult symbols and strange writing in a tiny portion of the picture barely visible to the eye. Once this picture was destroyed and removed from the home everything turned back to normal

I raised a few questions about demons actually possessing objects, I see quite a large number of you say no all be it in a dismissive way, but its certainly worth thinking about don’t you think? Ok we shall agree then that a demon isn’t going to set up residence inside an object, however can demons follow an item around and create mayhem in the places they are located, for example take say a sword, strange things may happen when taken into someone’s home, the people will wonder about it, research its history find a rather colourful history about belonging to a ancient pirate or whoever and a rather strange myth surrounding it which appears to come true every so often.

Why is it then that leaflets create a bad atmosphere and so on, again many people say how they have new age leaflet through the door, throw it in bin without even noticing it, yet it still has a negative influence in the home. Most comments seem to suggest this is only possible if someone knows about it and allows it to be negative. I am not denying that and yes that does happen, allowing a foothold to take place. However why is it that when you don’t even realize the leaflet is there it still has this ability and influence? OH and yes It is simple to deal with them as to rip them up and put them outside, sorted.

This brings us on to ghosts, we all know a ghost is a demon that has taken on appearance of a dead person and is associated with a certain place. if you don’t think that demons associate themselves with an item, then why is it they can associate themselves with a location, surely if they can associate themselves with a location its not difficult to do so with an object. If you do not think that a demon does associate itself with a building as in a particular ghost haunting it, then how do you explain same sightings and goings on happening over hundreds of years? Some people see a resident ghost even though they never even knew of its existence, which obviously supports the demon being attached to the location.

Edited June 7, 2007 by AndrewA

[jamie]

Theres not much room for other peoples giftings in the body of Christ, especially those in the area of discernment. I would love discussiong this Andrew; just not on this forum.

[Smalcald]

But sin of course exists in our hearts, not the closet.

In some ways it would be easier if I could just do a good house cleaning and inventory of satanic objects and remove them, and believe that I could remove Satan that way. This would be much easier than resisting his flaming darts which fly into my mind goading me to fall into temptation and sin.

I do believe in demons, but I believe in a much worse sort of demon than one associated with an object or a home or a fairy tale, the demons which I believe in are after all of us personally because of our faith, and their goal is to target us and to destroy our faith. To the degree that removing objects which have non-Christian origins from our homes helps with our fight against these demons, then yes I am not against that, if only it were that easy.

[AndrewA]

Cajunboy:::: I'm sorry but I cannot support much of what you are trying to convey here. God makes it very plain to each of us what our (cross) in life is what we each know all too well when we sin. We may want to or try to deny a particular sin but that only takes us all the farther down the road we have to travel to find the Jesus we all soooooooo want to aspire to be like. All this, messages on tapes, I just can't accept . If one needs to purge his/her home for evil things, the more evident ones are the best place to begin. Like "porn" videos or movies with "R" ratings or vulgar language, or when someone sends you a vulgar e-mail or joke in bad taste, simply sent it back and remind the sender that you don't review this type of literature. Did you know it is just as much a sin for a man or woman to neglect cleaning their homes or letting things go when you know you have chores to do, as what you're suggesting.

I don't mean to say that all of what you are suggesing does not have validity, but I just don't believe that if someone doesn't realize they may have "sin" hidden in their closets or in something they have no knowledge of, that they are still living in sin simply because it is near them or in their possession. Now if the KNOW that the image or literature or sin is in their possession and refuse to part with it, your point may take issue. But I may be sinning even worse if I knowingly hoard my monies for my own selfish treats and I know that God has revealed to me to share a part of it with a particular person in need. But I do respect where you're headed. By what you are trying to convey you are inadvertantly telling me that you want to get your life so very straight that you don't want to leave any stones unturned......and that's a good thing.....I just don't believe that God feels we should drive ourselves crazy with paranoia.

Blessings

Cajunboy

First I will refer you to my third paragraph which I started

Indeed it is easy to become paranoid about such things and go way over the top and obsessive, which is in itself not healthy for us

The Cassette tape thing, I am not suggesting that you burn all your tapes because one might be a bit iffy. If you re read what i said about the tapes you will see i am simply giving an example of a MAN made object being used for Satanic purposes.

Removing the obvious filth in your life is straight forward However God is pure and perfect, sure we can not obtain that standard but we can try cant we? even if we live in what we consider a pure and wholesome Christian home there probably are things that we do or do not do and tems we posses that are dishonoring to God, or have the potential to create spiritual discord with in the home. I think we would all be in shock as to what it means to really live a pure clean spiritual life, Christ was only perfect person on earth. We all fall miles short, even though we think we don't.

AS Christians we have to be on our guard as to what does come into the home, it could be a leaflet for example, its not that big deal to sort out, just tear it up and throw it in bin outside. Its something we have to be continually on our guard over.