Polygamy

[firehill]

For now, Butero I just have to say that no one is given a right of passage in the bible to marry multiple people because they have lustful problems or view the opposite gender as a sex object. To be a polygamist for that reason is in opposition to the original purpose of the marriage covenant, at creation.

[None]

Wishful thinking there, Butero.

I saw this and couldn't help from laughing.

Though I agree with what Sherman has said I understand the points you were making. If it's a matter of cultural mentality that's one thing, but I will say that if one desires to have more than one wife because one is not enough...get my drift, then yeah, that's a sin because women aren't sex objects to be multiplied. Make sense?

Hello Firehill!

He seems to think that women of the future will return to polygomy.

1)Not in this day and age, not after viewing our history books, taking notes on the abuse women suffered when situations were left in the hands of men who only follow after their own pleasures, thinking themselves of far more importance than women, why would any of us EVER go back to that.

We progress not regress.

2)If it's finacial - Boarding houses - roomates - mom and pop's place - anything but desperately trying to share one man with more than one women. Why? And how gross!! Ewww!

3)If it's a child you want - do I even need to remind anyone here what year this is? As IF that could even be a reason today.

Isaiah 4:1 "AND in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach." I believe this is speaking of a time in the future, where there will be so many men killed in battle, there won't be enough to go around, and necessity will dictate a return to polygamy.

Isaiah was not speaking of THIS day and age. I didn't think it needed to be said because you're in error. That passage is for a different topic in a different thread(in Prophesy). It doesn't even fit here. Prove me wrong.

[Guest Biblicist]

If you consider the Godly men of the Bible who had multiple wives, you will see that it really didn't turn out very well for them. . .

[Smalcald]

Well Hugh, I will say you have an interesting take on the subject of polygamy. For the most part, those who engage in the practice seem to have problems arising with jealousy, and strife, so I really don't believe it is a good arrangement, but I do agree it is not a sin if the law allows it. At the same time, I do believe we are to be law abiding citizens, except when the law requires us to sin, so I believe in getting a marriage license. If I agreed with you that the license was not important, then I could agree with your conclusions in that regard. There was a debate not long ago over whether God recognizes a marriage not made legitimate by the state. If you find no need for such recognition, there is nothing to prohibit a man from having several wives. I would just question his judgement.

I would also. I also agree with your biblical analysis.

The problem with what we have seen in a country like the US with our polygamy experience is that it is usually practiced in a very very sinful way in the US where it has been done.

Most if not all polygamous communities in the US practice child rape and molestation by forcing young teenage girls to marry into these arranged polygamous marriages. We don't have a shortage of men in the US and women have the ability to choose their marriage partner or choose if they would want to be a "second" wife or not, thus only a tiny tiny percentage of US women if ANY, would choose polygamy as an adult. Thus the men who wish to practice polygamy in the US have to resort to taking child brides who are too young to say no and are being forced by their community and parents to say yes. Once they are trapped in the web by the time they are 22 they have a couple of kids, no skills and nowhere to go, it is all they know and thus they stay.

This was the main charge against that freak in Utah Warren Jebbs arranging the marriage of 13, 14 15 and 16 year old girls to adult men. The basis of polygamy as practiced in the US has been sexual perversion and child molestation. Thus when I hear a person in the US almost 100% of the time of course it is a man, start really promoting polygamy red flags go up for me big time.

[Guest Biblicist]

If you consider the Godly men of the Bible who had multiple wives, you will see that it really didn't turn out very well for them.

So, hmmm, Isaac and Rebecca? Saints? Adam and Eve, no wait, they started the whole mess. Begging your pardon but I think you will find that for one, you can't name too many people you are certain were monogamous in scripture, and having assembled your list, I can tell you what will coincide with the strife we find in their lives. I will be the simple fact of detail. The more we know about any people, the more sin we discover.

By the way, Esther. She was a Polygynist bride, a whole book gets written about her and she is the model of behavior. This is in the setting of being married to a PAGAN King.

Am I to assume from the nature of your post that you are arguing in favor of polgamy?

[firehill]

I have a question (especialy for None). Once a man is married to a woman who between the two has AUTHORITY over his physical body in regards to sexual relations? Anybody know?

[firehill]

I just have to say that no one is given a right of passage in the bible to marry multiple people because they have lustful problems or view the opposite gender as a sex object. To be a polygamist for that reason is in opposition to the original purpose of the marriage covenant, at creation.

Uh, why? Do monogamists marry for different reasons than Polygynists do? Granted that Polygynists would do it more ethusiasticly, marrying perhaps many more times in a lifetime than the average guy, but do we marry for different reasons?

Maybe you can answer my question then above in post #98?

By the way, Esther. She was a Polygynist bride, a whole book gets written about her and she is the model of behavior. This is in the setting of being married to a PAGAN King.

Really, perhaps you can show this in context then? You've literaly ripped her character out of context.

[firehill]

The "entitlement" is clearly apportioned. These are the words of God, not man. In fact he hasn't stopped speaking since giving the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20. Exodus 21:10:

Are you familar with Paul?

Maybe YOU can tell me how I rip a character out of context by referring to the whole book? One of the points about Esther is she performs flawlessly in a situation rife with influences that would make it easy to excuse her of sin. Yet she does not sin. She is in a Polygyny with a man most likely an UNBELIEVER, we have copious detail because as I say, a WHOLE BOOK is written about her. Where is the strife that comes from Polygyny in her life?

If you're going to make a claim then you need to show it from scripture. In my question I'm implying a claim which I can show that from scripture, in context. I would expect you to do the same.

[Lionroot]

I can just look at the stories in the Bible where polygamy exists, and few of them were smooth.

Has anyone actually counted how many polygynist had such problems, versus how many had no such issues. Most polygynist do not have much information about such problems within a family. Do we put them on the side of problems or no problems if the text does not mention any problems?

How many monogamous marriages in the Bible had no problems at all, versus ones with problems?

Just some thoughts that might offer perspective.

God Bless,

Robert

[Lionroot]

And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

The context belongs to it's culture. Again, I'm not arguing against a cultural mentality.

Firehill,

I am confused, was it cultural for God to give wives to men? After all this is the Lord talking, not a cultural representative.