Israel/ Holy Ground

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Shiloh,

How little you know me, even after all my posts supporting the evangelization of the Jews. One of my main goals is to let Christians know their duty to perform Romans 11:30-31.

BUT, I am not a Zionist.

The Kingdom of God, that is, the "presence of God among men", is what makes any place Holy. It was taken from Israel because of their unbelief. Those in ersatz Israel today are 99% still in UNBELIEF. The Kingdom of God is where FRUIT is produced that is pleasing to God.

I wish you could SEE that.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest shiloh357]

Greetings Shiloh,

How little you know me, even after all my posts supporting the evangelization of the Jews. One of my main goals is to let Christians know their duty to perform Romans 11:30-31.

BUT, I am not a Zionist.

The Kingdom of God, that is, the "presence of God among men", is what makes any place Holy. It was taken from Israel because of their unbelief. Those in ersatz Israel today are 99% still in UNBELIEF. The Kingdom of God is where FRUIT is produced that is pleasing to God.

So you are not a Zionist... Do you even know what Zionism is?

This is not a Kingdom of God issue. The issue is whether or not God considers the Land of Israel a special place. The Word of God says that He does. You are trying to say that it is not speical. Who is wrong and and who is right?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Shiloh,

This is not a Kingdom of God issue. The issue is whether or not God considers the Land of Israel a special place. The Word of God says that He does. You are trying to say that it is not speical. Who is wrong and and who is right?

I have noticed the "twist" that you put on words. YES! The LAND of Israel still holds a special place in God's heart because of the FATHERS, BUT you have twisted this thread around from HOLY LAND OF ISRAEL to meet your agenda. NO - the land of Israel IS NOT HOLY!

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest shiloh357]

I have noticed the "twist" that you put on words. YES! The LAND of Israel still holds a special place in God's heart because of the FATHERS, BUT you have twisted this thread around from HOLY LAND OF ISRAEL to meet your agenda. NO - the land of Israel IS NOT HOLY!

I have not twisted anything around. If you recall I said earlier:

"Holy" means "set apart." The Land is holy in that God has set it apart and reserved it for the Jewish people. Until the Jewish people returned to the land, it would not produce anything for anyone else that lived there. For 2000 years it was nothing but barren desert and Malaria infested swamps so long as other peoples lived there. Only when the Jews came back did it start to produce tomatoes, cotton, oranges, wheat, and even grass. In less than 60 years, Israel has become one the most modern and scientifically advanced countries in the world. Some of the most amazing lifesaving advancements in medical science come from Israel. Amercian lives have been saved because of such advancements. God is blessing the land and people of Israel inspite of their unbelief.

You refuse to consider it holy because you have determined what the conditions should be. If it doesn't meet your conditions, then you refuse to consider it holy. God fortunately is not bound by the conditions you set. It is holy because He set His Name there, and because He has stated that it is His Land.

You still have not told me what Zionism is. Do you know the definition?

[ginakay]

The land of Israel and Jerusalem is set apart as holy to the Lord. Now it is still trodden under the foot of gentiles to some extent but it will someday be the focus of the whole world when Yeshua rules from there!

[Snowdoove]

Thanks for all your replies.

I think too many Christians want to read into it, their ideas and not what YHVH said.

Just Believe it, and go on with your lifes.

Snowdoove

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Shiloh,

You still have not told me what Zionism is.  Do you know the definition?

Here you go Shiloh, take your pick:

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/zionism

WORDNET DICTIONARY: (ZIONISM)

Definition: [n] a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine

[n] a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine

WEBSTERS 1913 DICTIONARY (ZIONISM)

Definition: \Zi"on*ism\, n. [Zion + -ism.]

Among the Jews, a theory, plan, or movement for colonizing

their own race in Palestine, the land of Zion, or, if that is

impracticable, elsewhere, either for religious or

nationalizing purposes; -- called also {Zion movement}. --

{Zi"on*ist}, n. -- {Zi`on*is"tic}, a.

WORDNET DICTIONARY: (ZIONIST)

Definition: [n] a Jewish supporter of Zionism

[adj] relating to or characteristic of a supporter of Zionism; "the Zionist leader Theodor Herzl"

[adj] relating to or characteristic of Zionism; "the Zionist movement"

WORDNET DICTIONARY (ZIONIST MOVEMENT)

Definition: [n] a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Zionism

Zionism

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[Guest shiloh357]

DadErnie,

So, since you are not a Zionist, are you opposed to the Jewish people living in their historic homeland? Why would you be against Jews having their nation in their historic homeland? It is a sign of the soon coming of Christ. Why would you opposed to something that points to Christ's return?

Would you prefer that the Arabs desire for Israel to cease to exist come to fruition? Do you consider Zionsim as tantamount to racism? If so, why?

[Dad Ernie]

So, since you are not a Zionist, are you opposed to the Jewish people living in their historic homeland? Why would you be against Jews having their nation in their historic homeland? It is a sign of the soon coming of Christ. Why would you opposed to something that points to Christ's return?

Would you prefer that the Arabs desire for Israel to cease to exist come to fruition? Do you consider Zionsim as tantamount to racism? If so, why?

Greetings Shiloh,

I believe that the return to Israel in 1948 is fulfillment of the Mt. 24 prophecy regarding the Fig Tree, BUT it reveals that there is NO fruit on the tree. Jesus once "cursed" the fig tree and said NEVER again shall it bear fruit. I am sure that you think that "curse" was irrevelent, but in my mind, Jesus only DID THAT WHICH HE SAW THE FATHER DOING, and since every reference in the Gospel points to Israel as the Fig Tree, my conviction is substantiated by the scriptures.

Over and over again in the OT we see that it would be GOD who returns Israel to their land and it will be a land of peace and plenty. Their swords are turned into plowshares. That sure is not the Israel of today. 99% of the Jews there are anti-christ, aetheist, spiritist or just don't give a hoot. Zechariah foretells again of the final destruction of the land of Israel immediately prior to the Lord's coming.

Now if you read Deut 4:26-31, you will find that it is the diaspora that will turn their hearts to God in the latter days, in times of great tribulation, AND THEN Christ will come and take back the land from the enemy, even from those who are now in it, and will establish His 1,000 years of peace and prosperity and RULE.

No, I don't think the Arabs should have that country. I think every Arab should either be converted from Islam or shot! I hate what they are doing to Israel.

I am not in the least rascist, but I DO BELIEVE WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Guest shiloh357]

DadErnie,

With regard to the fig tree curse, you have misrepresented it's purpose. Matthew 21:19-21

And seeing a lone fig tree by the road, He came to it, and found nothing on it except leaves only; and He said to it, "No longer shall there ever be any fruit from you." And at once the fig tree withered. [20] And seeing this, the disciples marveled, saying, "How did the fig tree wither at once?" [21] And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith, and do not doubt, you shall not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it shall happen.

Jesus gave this as an example or lesson about faith. Nowhere did Jesus or anyone take this particular occurance and apply it to Israel. You have no scriptural authority to apply it in such a manner.

Jesus did use a fig tree figuratively to represent Israel. Mark 13:28-30

"Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender, and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. [29] "Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. [30] "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Now if a cursed fig tree that is all withered up is supposed to represent Israel according to you, how then could it put forth leaves? Jesus does not use a withered up fig tree to represent Israel, but rather a healthy tree putting forth leaves. If it is putting forth leaves, then the fruit is not far behind.

No, I don't think the Arabs should have that country. I think every Arab should either be converted from Islam or shot! I hate what they are doing to Israel.

At least we can agree on something!!