Drunk takes a free bike ride on car roof

[buckthesystem]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4117298a4560.html

Police officers in the Dutch city of Alkmaar were surprised to see a car passing by with a man sitting on a bicycle on its roof.

The driver and his wife, when stopped by the police, said they heard a noise while waiting at a traffic light, but did not realise they were taking on an extra passenger.

The 26 year-old man who took the free ride was fined for public drunkenness, not carrying an identity card and providing a false identity to the police.

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Now this would be funny if it were not for the "not carrying an identity card" bit!

[Guest Biblicist]

I've heard of bikers "drafting" before but this is rediculous!

Why does it bother you that he was not carrying his ID?

[buckthesystem]

I've heard of bikers "drafting" before but this is rediculous!

Why does it bother you that he was not carrying his ID?

I know this is just a funny article and I don't want to say anthing that would detract from the humour, but I am not bothered by the fact that "he was not carrying his id", but I AM very much bothered, horrified in fact, by the fact that after the Dutch people having fought so hard and being so oppressed by occupying forces (Adolf Hitler's) bullying them into carrying id cards at all times and having to "show papers" on demand, now find that their own government is further grinding them into the ground by treating them like this. It is the greatest insult to those who died fighting this sort of thing.

Just as it is the greatest insult to those who fought, in other countries that have had occupation forces demanding "papers" from civilians, and now their own governments are either doing or proposing to do the same thing. In fact, the world wide demand for ID is insulting to anyone in any country who fought for freedom.

[Guest Biblicist]

I've heard of bikers "drafting" before but this is rediculous!

Why does it bother you that he was not carrying his ID?

I know this is just a funny article and I don't want to say anthing that would detract from the humour, but I am not bothered by the fact that "he was not carrying his id", but I AM very much bothered, horrified in fact, by the fact that after the Dutch people having fought so hard and being so oppressed by occupying forces (Adolf Hitler's) bullying them into carrying id cards at all times and having to "show papers" on demand, now find that their own government is further grinding them into the ground by treating them like this. It is the greatest insult to those who died fighting this sort of thing.

Just as it is the greatest insult to those who fought, in other countries that have had occupation forces demanding "papers" from civilians, and now their own governments are either doing or proposing to do the same thing. In fact, the world wide demand for ID is insulting to anyone in any country who fought for freedom.

Sweetheart,

When you get pulled over by police in America, you have to show ID, a.k.a. your drivers license. The same is true when you want to cash a check, and any number of other things. When you get "drugs" from the drug store you have to produce ID now. There is nothing wrong with the police expecting this strange drunk man to produce some proof of who he is.

[buckthesystem]

Bib. in the Netherlands the police are notorious for demanding ID off people any place/any time.

This drunk guy was NOT driving a car, or even riding a bike, he sure wasn't cashing a cheque or buying drugs.

Anyway, if you are buying prescription drugs, surely the fact that you have a prescription, IDs you enough, and if you are buying non-prescription drugs - what does it matter?

Some bank tellers and chemist shop employees have tried to demand ID here, but I've resisted it every time or just gone to another bank or shop. I don't have any ID, and I am sure not going to get some just to satisfy the demands of somebody on a power trip.

I am not trying to get at you, or saying that your views are wrong, this is just my opinion. When I read of someone having their "ID card demanded" I get an image of an SS officer demanding "papers". Maybe I'm showing my age, being brought up on old WWII films.

[Guest Biblicist]

Bib. in the Netherlands the police are notorious for demanding ID off people any place/any time.

This drunk guy was NOT driving a car, or even riding a bike, he sure wasn't cashing a cheque or buying drugs.

Anyway, if you are buying prescription drugs, surely the fact that you have a prescription, IDs you enough, and if you are buying non-prescription drugs - what does it matter?

Some bank tellers and chemist shop employees have tried to demand ID here, but I've resisted it every time or just gone to another bank or shop. I don't have any ID, and I am sure not going to get some just to satisfy the demands of somebody on a power trip.

I am not trying to get at you, or saying that your views are wrong, this is just my opinion. When I read of someone having their "ID card demanded" I get an image of an SS officer demanding "papers". Maybe I'm showing my age, being brought up on old WWII films.

I guess there is a bit of culture shock here. I never susspect the police of anything underhanded, even though there are police who are somewhat crooked.

We do have to present ID for purchasing certain non-prescription drugs, i.e. allergy medecines, because people are getting [stealing] them in mass quantities to make illegal drugs. These types of drugs are now behind the register counter and can only be purchased with your drivers license.

Same thing with writing a check or using a bank card. It is required.

I understand your reasons behind your feelings. It is wrong to demand someone's id when they are not breaking the law, but this bum was clearly breaking the law and therefore his rights went right out the window.

In America, no matter what the officer stops you for, you automatically present your license [iD], registration and insurance card. Failure to do so will get you in serious trouble. It's one thing to question the drug store or bank clerk for asking for ID but I wouldn't dream of questioning a police officer about it. With ID fraud what it is, I prefer they ask, that way I am ensured that someone else is not using my checks or credit card. My husband always thanks the clerks for asking him for ID, it means they have been trained to care about and are aware of ID fraud.

It doesn't say they demanded his ID, it says he wasn't carrying his own and he presented them with false ID. Those are offences.

You don't carry any ID. How do you drive?

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Bib. in the Netherlands the police are notorious for demanding ID off people any place/any time.

This drunk guy was NOT driving a car, or even riding a bike, he sure wasn't cashing a cheque or buying drugs.

Anyway, if you are buying prescription drugs, surely the fact that you have a prescription, IDs you enough, and if you are buying non-prescription drugs - what does it matter?

Some bank tellers and chemist shop employees have tried to demand ID here, but I've resisted it every time or just gone to another bank or shop. I don't have any ID, and I am sure not going to get some just to satisfy the demands of somebody on a power trip.

I am not trying to get at you, or saying that your views are wrong, this is just my opinion. When I read of someone having their "ID card demanded" I get an image of an SS officer demanding "papers". Maybe I'm showing my age, being brought up on old WWII films.

I guess there is a bit of culture shock here. I never susspect the police of anything underhanded, even though there are police who are somewhat crooked.

We do have to present ID for purchasing certain non-prescription drugs, i.e. allergy medecines, because people are getting [stealing] them in mass quantities to make illegal drugs. These types of drugs are now behind the register counter and can only be purchased with your drivers license.

Same thing with writing a check or using a bank card. It is required.

I understand your reasons behind your feelings. It is wrong to demand someone's id when they are not breaking the law, but this bum was clearly breaking the law and therefore his rights went right out the window.

In America, no matter what the officer stops you for, you automatically present your license [iD], registration and insurance card. Failure to do so will get you in serious trouble. It's one thing to question the drug store or bank clerk for asking for ID but I wouldn't dream of questioning a police officer about it. With ID fraud what it is, I prefer they ask, that way I am ensured that someone else is not using my checks or credit card. My husband always thanks the clerks for asking him for ID, it means they have been trained to care about and are aware of ID fraud.

It doesn't say they demanded his ID, it says he wasn't carrying his own and he presented them with false ID. Those are offences.

You don't carry any ID. How do you drive?

I have been asked for my ID by police just walking down the street lte at night. You also have to prodice ID for perscription narcotic drugs...just to prove you are who the perscritpion says you are.

[Treasure]

I guess I just never thought about it before but I'm not sure I'd feel safe (not that we have much of that anymore) if people weren't asked for their id.

Never tried to hitch a ride on top of another car before though. Maybe the guy has seen too many action movies.

[Qun Mang]

Carrying an ID is a de-facto standard. Though hardly required, there are things that can't be done without it, as mentioned above. However, it appears to be a legal requirement there, else the police couldn't have charged him with not carrying one. That would be the troublesome aspect.

It doesn't say they demanded his ID, it says he wasn't carrying his own and he presented them with false ID. Those are offences.

I read it as he gave them a false name, not handed them a false ID.

[buckthesystem]

Bib. in the Netherlands the police are notorious for demanding ID off people any place/any time.

This drunk guy was NOT driving a car, or even riding a bike, he sure wasn't cashing a cheque or buying drugs.

Anyway, if you are buying prescription drugs, surely the fact that you have a prescription, IDs you enough, and if you are buying non-prescription drugs - what does it matter?

Some bank tellers and chemist shop employees have tried to demand ID here, but I've resisted it every time or just gone to another bank or shop. I don't have any ID, and I am sure not going to get some just to satisfy the demands of somebody on a power trip.

I am not trying to get at you, or saying that your views are wrong, this is just my opinion. When I read of someone having their "ID card demanded" I get an image of an SS officer demanding "papers". Maybe I'm showing my age, being brought up on old WWII films.

I guess there is a bit of culture shock here. I never susspect the police of anything underhanded, even though there are police who are somewhat crooked.

We do have to present ID for purchasing certain non-prescription drugs, i.e. allergy medecines, because people are getting [stealing] them in mass quantities to make illegal drugs. These types of drugs are now behind the register counter and can only be purchased with your drivers license.

Same thing with writing a check or using a bank card. It is required.

I understand your reasons behind your feelings. It is wrong to demand someone's id when they are not breaking the law, but this bum was clearly breaking the law and therefore his rights went right out the window.

In America, no matter what the officer stops you for, you automatically present your license [iD], registration and insurance card. Failure to do so will get you in serious trouble. It's one thing to question the drug store or bank clerk for asking for ID but I wouldn't dream of questioning a police officer about it. With ID fraud what it is, I prefer they ask, that way I am ensured that someone else is not using my checks or credit card. My husband always thanks the clerks for asking him for ID, it means they have been trained to care about and are aware of ID fraud.

It doesn't say they demanded his ID, it says he wasn't carrying his own and he presented them with false ID. Those are offences.

You don't carry any ID. How do you drive?

The original article says "was fined for public drunkenness, not carrying an identity card ......" I believe that in the Netherlands the police regularly stop people on the streets to demand their id card. I have read a lot of stories of people there being terrified to "leave home without their id card", including children, as the age for "carrying id" is - I think - 12.

I don't, and I won't EVER, carry ID as a matter of course. Strictly speaking there is a law here that says "if you are stopped by a policeman while driving you should produce your "driving licence". But this "requirement" was snuck in to legislation without public consultation and without a good reason being given, so I never comply with it. I believe that you owe no honesty to a corrupt system. I don't think any thinking person actually does carry their DL with them in the car. What if you have to rush out at a moment's notice, your own car won't start, so you take someone else's car? Are you going to hunt out your DL (which in my case is "somewhere" but I have no idea where) just to comply with a dishonest "law"?

I don't like people demanding ID, I believe it is as good as saying "you are a liar and I don't trust you". I applied for a job once, and at the interview - literally at the last minute - the manager asked for ID. I thought what would you do if you literally had no ID, everybody doesn't have a DL or a student card or something. So I dropped that and found a job where they didn't ask too many questions.