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FOUNDING FATHERS

John Adams and John Hancock - No King But Jesus

God

"We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]"

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

The Nation's Foundation - Christ Jesus

The King

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."

1 Timothy 1:15-17

What do you not understand about this?! It is any and all gods!...... THERE IS NOT ONLY ONE.
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The Bible! The Bible!

To See Their God Open Their Bibles

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Their God - There Is Only One

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Deuteronomy 6:4

Their God - There Is No Other

Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
Exodus 3:6

Holy! Holy! Holy! Is The LORD Of Hosts

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isaiah 6:3

He's Coming Back

And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Revelation 4:8

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Dear Seeker

We Know The Truth Of The USA's Biblical Foundation From Historical Documents And The Writings Of Our Founding Fathers

The signers of the Declaration of Independence were a profoundly intelligent, religious and ethically-minded group. Four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time preachers, and many more were the sons of clergymen.
http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

We Know The Truth Of God From The Holy Spirit And The Writings Of The Holy Bible

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:16

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There Are Beloved Seekers Here Who Just Can Not See The Christ

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:4

Because We Worship The Living God

The God Of Hope And Of Power And Of Redemption

The God Of Love And Of Judgment And Of Mercy And Grace

We Pray To Him For His Miraculous Healing Of Your Heart And Your Mind

Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Luke 7:22

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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

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The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

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A straight forward answer would be appreciated...not some scrambled eg like this...I repeat ...What God here the F.F. referring to when ascribing that He has given us inalienable rights??? :24: Please keep it to one word if possible...you've already given me the dribble...

What god in one word? ANY

Now THAT's real creative SPIN...wonderful :24:... now... can I ask you to take it one step further..and ask you to select 1...seeing that the quote on inalienable rights... one specified one "Creator" from whom these right are given... do you have a name ...or reference to a name in any text?... :24:

What do you not understand about this?! It is any and all gods! for you it's a christian god, for others it'd be a hindu god or a muslim god. THERE IS NOT ONLY ONE.

..and do you have documentation that states that the FF meant "any god" ?...when they took their oaths of office with hands placed on the KJ bible...there are either paintings or portraits of each government official...taking the oath with a KJ bible...but they were speaking of "any god" ...Yeah Right! :P ... I'm almost tempted to ask you..."what ya smokin'? ...but I won't :unsure:

Yes, they did that because they were christian just like you. But they didn't want people to be only christian. Thus they did not place down anything specific to a christian god. Understand?

I never said they did want everyone to be "Christian".... because they took clear step to avoid that...But thanks for finally conceding the obvious :th_frusty:

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A straight forward answer would be appreciated...not some scrambled eg like this...I repeat ...What God here the F.F. referring to when ascribing that He has given us inalienable rights??? :24: Please keep it to one word if possible...you've already given me the dribble...

What god in one word? ANY

Now THAT's real creative SPIN...wonderful :24:... now... can I ask you to take it one step further..and ask you to select 1...seeing that the quote on inalienable rights... one specified one "Creator" from whom these right are given... do you have a name ...or reference to a name in any text?... :P

What do you not understand about this?! It is any and all gods! for you it's a christian god, for others it'd be a hindu god or a muslim god. THERE IS NOT ONLY ONE.

Where is your source for that contention?...I'm getting bloody head wounds from this brick wall :24:

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A straight forward answer would be appreciated...not some scrambled eg like this...I repeat ...What God here the F.F. referring to when ascribing that He has given us inalienable rights??? :24: Please keep it to one word if possible...you've already given me the dribble...

What god in one word? ANY

Now THAT's real creative SPIN...wonderful :24:... now... can I ask you to take it one step further..and ask you to select 1...seeing that the quote on inalienable rights... one specified one "Creator" from whom these right are given... do you have a name ...or reference to a name in any text?... :24:

What do you not understand about this?! It is any and all gods! for you it's a christian god, for others it'd be a hindu god or a muslim god. THERE IS NOT ONLY ONE.

sorry but your incorrect. There is only ONE God that owns the title of Creator. That is jehova. The muslim god is not jehova, it is the pagan moon god.

Amen and Amen Again! :P

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Yes, they did that because they were christian just like you. But they didn't want people to be only christian. Thus they did not place down anything specific to a christian god. Understand?

What????? you got to be smokin something. Christians not wanting people to be only christian?? ROTFL

They chose their wording carefully. there is only one creator and that is jehova, the one who created the earth as described in Gen 1.

that word Creator specifically removed any possiblity that another god would be considered.

Hey...on this board...there's a whole lotta smokin' going on!... :24: ..but you are soooo correct...what people don't see is that when God is blessin;...the devil is messin'... the wording WAS very careful...Blacks were 2/3 a person...but the Creator was acknowledged... but they didn't want it so that the government would not be able to force religion down anyone's throat...if they didn't want it... they left certain things up to "We the People" which was really ok with the Almighty...because He doesn't force anyone to do anything:cool:

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A straight forward answer would be appreciated...not some scrambled eg like this...I repeat ...What God here the F.F. referring to when ascribing that He has given us inalienable rights??? :24: Please keep it to one word if possible...you've already given me the dribble...

What god in one word? ANY

Now THAT's real creative SPIN...wonderful :24:... now... can I ask you to take it one step further..and ask you to select 1...seeing that the quote on inalienable rights... one specified one "Creator" from whom these right are given... do you have a name ...or reference to a name in any text?... :24:

What do you not understand about this?! It is any and all gods! for you it's a christian god, for others it'd be a hindu god or a muslim god. THERE IS NOT ONLY ONE.

sorry but your incorrect. There is only ONE God that owns the title of Creator. That is jehova. The muslim god is not jehova, it is the pagan moon god.

To you perhaps, but to the founding fathers it was a term that was supposed to eliminate religious conflict.

...and what source to you have in support of your POV? :P

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Yes, they did that because they were christian just like you. But they didn't want people to be only christian. Thus they did not place down anything specific to a christian god. Understand?

What????? you got to be smokin something. Christians not wanting people to be only christian?? ROTFL

They chose their wording carefully. there is only one creator and that is jehova, the one who created the earth as described in Gen 1.

that word Creator specifically removed any possiblity that another god would be considered.

Yes, crazy as it may seem to you; surrounded as you are with your version of history, there are sane christians who know there are more important things than making sure everyone in the room is christian. To the founding fathers, the country was more important. And they gave the country freedom of religion so that noone would be oppressing anyone else, like you people apparently want to do to the Hindus.

Actually there would be no possibility of any other god if the word Jesus was used, or Jehovah, or a passage from the bible. But every religion has a creater.

a good point...but it hails in the light of the truth... On which religious "Holy Book" was the "Oath" of truth established?... for the better part of 300 years... congress has opened each session with a prayer...to which God...allah...buddha...kristna...me thinks not :24:

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I think it was more of a DUH for our founding fathers.

I guess they assumed that everyone would know who they were talking about. Because Christianity was the most prevalent at the time the country was founded. They themselves were Christians as well.

Had muslims founded America and they wrote "creator" in their documents, we would have just assumed that they were talking about allah.

Muslims couldn't use any other name for god except allah... there is no way they could just elude to a "God"...some all purposeful " Creator"...good point :24: In fact...the way the FF set it up ...was exactly the way the God of the bible would want a government ...that the LORD is not running...God doesn't force anything down anyone's throat...does He? Neither did the FF want religion forced down anyones throat... :24:

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A straight forward answer would be appreciated...not some scrambled eg like this...I repeat ...What God here the F.F. referring to when ascribing that He has given us inalienable rights??? :cool: Please keep it to one word if possible...you've already given me the dribble...

ne word? ANY

Now THAT's real creative SPIN...wonderful :thumbsup:... now... can I ask you to take it one step further..and ask you to select 1...seeing that the quote on inalienable rights... one specified one "Creator" from whom these right are given... do you have a name ...or reference to a name in any text?... :cool:

What do you not understand about this?! It is any and all gods! for you it's a christian god, for others it'd be a hindu god or a muslim god. THERE IS NOT ONLY ONE.

sorry but your incorrect. There is only ONE God that owns the title of Creator. That is jehova. The muslim god is not jehova, it is the pagan moon god.

To you perhaps, but to the founding fathers it was a term that was supposed to eliminate religious conflict.

No it was't to eliminate religious conflict it wsa to eliminate goverment control of religion.

They didn't want religion jammed down anyone's throat...just like the WOG say it doesn't do...The Creator doesn't force Himself...or the knowledge of Himself on ANYONE...DOES HE...but hat He does do is bless thos who acknowledge Him...and was not America greatly blessed ? ...She ACKNOWLEDGED the TRUE AND LIVING GOD...AND AMERICA WAS BLESSED...and now that she has turned her back on the same CREATOR who blessed her...at every turn...That same CREATOR will DESTROY HER :cool:

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Yes, they did that because they were christian just like you. But they didn't want people to be only christian. Thus they did not place down anything specific to a christian god. Understand?

What????? you got to be smokin something. Christians not wanting people to be only christian?? ROTFL

They chose their wording carefully. there is only one creator and that is jehova, the one who created the earth as described in Gen 1.

that word Creator specifically removed any possiblity that another god would be considered.

Yes, crazy as it may seem to you; surrounded as you are with your version of history, there are sane christians who know there are more important things than making sure everyone in the room is christian. To the founding fathers, the country was more important. And they gave the country freedom of religion so that noone would be oppressing anyone else, like you people apparently want to do to the Hindus.

Actually there would be no possibility of any other god if the word Jesus was used, or Jehovah, or a passage from the bible. But every religion has a creater.

No the founding fathers state Creator to establish a foundation based on christian principals. the whole constitution and bill of rights were patterned after the masseteuchets colony charter of 1643. It was established that God, our Creator, the christian God, wsa the giver of our inalienable rights. JEHOVAH is the Creator, not shiva nor mohammed, nor buddah.

The fathers knew this country would not survive if the government had control over religious belief, so they protected religious belief. to do so and to make sure that no one religious denomination, i.e. RC, Anglican ect would gain control and try to oppress any other like they did in england, they made religion neutral. They knew that christianity would flourish and grow strong.

As far as me oppressing the hindus, where did i oppress them??

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