Women and head coverings

[Nebuchadnezza10]

In 1 cor 11 are women not told to wear head coverings. I would like to get some opinions happening.

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1 Corinthians 11

1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Propriety in Worship

2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,[1] just as I passed them on to you.

3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head--it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head,[2] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head.

11In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice--nor do the churches of God.

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[Ovedya]

Another post-n-run?

Taking your answers "off the air" Nebuchadnezza10 ?

[Guest charlie]

Post and run or not. This is a good question imo. I've wondered why women don't cover their head in church.

[Guest Bride of Christ]

This topic has been covered a few times in the short time I've been here....

There's even one that was started not too long ago...

As for this poster....guess it is a post 'n' run....dude just joined today and started 6 or 7 threads....all endin with that "MSN Me, it's quicker" stuff....

:sleep:

[papasangel]

ok I believe we covered this ground before in several threads but here goes.

(5) if any woman phrophesies or prays without a covering she dishonors her head. That means she dishonors her husband who is head of her and responsible for her. Her husband is accountable to Christ which is the head of man and Christ to God as God is Lord of all.

It goes on that if she does without a covering on her head it is like she is shorn or bald. It says that she should cut off her hair if she does not wear a covering.

(10) goes on to say that a woman should wear a covering on her head as a sign of authority over her head. I take that to mean that a woman should wear a devotional covering to symbolize the relationship of the head woman under man, man under Christ, Christ under God.

As to women using their long hair as a covering I believe that although it is technically a covering of sorts it does not necessarily signify a sign of authority on her head. A woman who wears a devotional covering or vieling is showing everyone where she stands in the order of headship and honors God by doing so.

Now I know not everyone will see this same thing and that is ok. For a woman who does wear a covering it should be from conviction that it is what God wants her to wear not be forced to wear. I wear a devotional covering during my waking hours. Why? Because during my waking hours I will pray off and on during the day and I feel that God wants me to honor Him by doing so. I am not afraid to signify my position concerning headship because I know that God honors me for showing obediance to the order of headship. Many women who do not wear a covering either do not feel as strongly about this as I do or they feel foolish for being different fro the world. Well God did tell us not to conform to the world and to Be ye seperate and this is just one more sign that I am unique in the eyes of God and in the world at large.

[Nebuchadnezza10]

Don't worry int's not a post and run. It's just that MSN is alot quicker thats all. And I have got a lot of threads running so it might take some time getting back to them.

Any way Got to Go. Lunch is ready.

Feel free to e-mail me.

Speak to ya guys later

[RGR]

Don't worry int's not a post and run. It's just that MSN is alot quicker thats all. And I have got a lot of threads running so it might take some time getting back to them.

Any way Got to Go. Lunch is ready.

Feel free to e-mail me.

Speak to ya guys later

How about desert with that lunch?

[Nebuchadnezza10]

I already had desert from another Thread thanx any way.

Back to the topic.

I have done some research on head coverings and I though I would share. I know that at first I struggled with it so maybe I can help someone else.

If you read through the whole passage the word cover is used quite frequently. The Greek translation for all these words (apart from vs 15) is to hide, conceal and can potentially mean anything, not a material covering. (i.e. Hair) It is from the Greek word kalapto. If you then replace these words with hair it makes a lot more sense. Verse 15 however actually means a material covering and is correctly translated as:

15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her instead of a material covering. The word for covering her is peribolaion=material covering.

Then in verse 16 the correct translation is

16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no such practice- nore do the churches of God.

Such is from the Greek word toiauthn. It is no translated as other.

So if you read through this all again it will make sense. Head coverings or long hair was a cultural thing for the Corinthians as the women who wore short hair were prostitutes and where showing so by cutting their hair short. However it no longer applies to us as vs 16 says

[RGR]

I already had desert from another Thread thanx any way.

Back to the topic.

I have done some research on head coverings and I though I would share. I know that at first I struggled with it so maybe I can help someone else.

If you read through the whole passage the word cover is used quite frequently. The Greek translation for all these words (apart from vs 15) is to hide, conceal and can potentially mean anything, not a material covering. (i.e. Hair) It is from the Greek word kalapto. If you then replace these words with hair it makes a lot more sense. Verse 15 however actually means a material covering and is correctly translated as:

15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her instead of a material covering. The word for covering her is peribolaion=material covering.

Then in verse 16 the correct translation is

16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no such practice- nore do the churches of God.

Such is from the Greek word toiauthn. It is no translated as other.

So if you read through this all again it will make sense. Head coverings or long hair was a cultural thing for the Corinthians as the women who wore short hair were prostitutes and where showing so by cutting their hair short. However it no longer applies to us as vs 16 says

[1ptr29citizen]

Well I had always thought the long hair thing too. But I had always seen it as a woman pretending to be a man, and a man pretending to be a woman, which we know of course is not right. However, the thing about prostitutes makes a lot more sense because of the state of Corinth in that time. My Bible compares Corinth to Times Square of New York, Bourbon Street in New Orleans, North Beach in San Francisco, and Las Vegas. Thought that was pretty funny. So yeah I'd agree it was most probably referring to sexual immorality more than a way of worship.

If women are supposed to have long hair, how long should it be? (Just a question as a spark of interest )